Comments on: Does the Church of England Hate British People? http://bnp.org.uk/2009/07/does-the-church-of-england-hate-british-people/ Discover the real BNP! Sun, 21 Mar 2010 16:01:21 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: celt http://bnp.org.uk/2009/07/does-the-church-of-england-hate-british-people/comment-page-3/#comment-237526 celt Wed, 08 Jul 2009 11:44:20 +0000 http://bnp.org.uk/?p=19545#comment-237526 A church of England graveyard was rented out by the vicar in wimbledon to park spectators cars right over the graves for £20, there are pictures of it on several websites <a href="http://www.thelondonpaper.com/thelondonpaper/news/wimbledon-church" target="_blank">http://www.thelondonpaper.com/thelondonpaper/news...</a> A church of England graveyard was rented out by the vicar in wimbledon to park spectators cars right over the graves for £20, there are pictures of it on several websites

http://www.thelondonpaper.com/thelondonpaper/news...

]]> By: Rob http://bnp.org.uk/2009/07/does-the-church-of-england-hate-british-people/comment-page-3/#comment-237511 Rob Wed, 08 Jul 2009 10:38:25 +0000 http://bnp.org.uk/?p=19545#comment-237511 Fair enough, i guess there are a lot of facets to this problem and mine is more disappointment rather than pity. It would always seem with religion that arguments will go back and forth with regards to who is right and who is wrong? I think if a Sikh can wear a bangle then yes a christian should be allowed a cross, no exeptions. If you can't trust the church you or your family have always supported because it keeps moving the goal posts, or re-writing the religion to support or modernize things then doesn't it just undermine itself and come across a total farce anyway. I find myself 'agnostic' not being able to prove or disprove any faith, and with islamists who wanted to take over they would not find this acceptable until I 'converted'. Well stuff that! I won't have anything imposed on me or my children and consider myself evolutionised where my source of light comes from within, I don't go to church but I also have morals and Christian values and don't contribute to bringing down our society. If I can manage this without the influence of a church it begs the question - do we need them anymore? People can be free to keep their faith as long as they keep it to themselves and not use it contravene the law of the land we live in, which is what we are seeing far too much of with foreigners! Fair enough, i guess there are a lot of facets to this problem and mine is more disappointment rather than pity. It would always seem with religion that arguments will go back and forth with regards to who is right and who is wrong? I think if a Sikh can wear a bangle then yes a christian should be allowed a cross, no exeptions.

If you can't trust the church you or your family have always supported because it keeps moving the goal posts, or re-writing the religion to support or modernize things then doesn't it just undermine itself and come across a total farce anyway.

I find myself 'agnostic' not being able to prove or disprove any faith, and with islamists who wanted to take over they would not find this acceptable until I 'converted'. Well stuff that! I won't have anything imposed on me or my children and consider myself evolutionised where my source of light comes from within, I don't go to church but I also have morals and Christian values and don't contribute to bringing down our society. If I can manage this without the influence of a church it begs the question – do we need them anymore? People can be free to keep their faith as long as they keep it to themselves and not use it contravene the law of the land we live in, which is what we are seeing far too much of with foreigners!

]]> By: bodica http://bnp.org.uk/2009/07/does-the-church-of-england-hate-british-people/comment-page-1/#comment-236971 bodica Tue, 07 Jul 2009 12:02:09 +0000 http://bnp.org.uk/?p=19545#comment-236971 They'll be "enjoying" third world "services" alongside the Blairs in an Egyptian villa insulated from the sights and smells and sounds of Christians murdered in Cairo. They'll be "enjoying" third world "services" alongside the Blairs in an Egyptian villa insulated from the sights and smells and sounds of Christians murdered in Cairo.

]]> By: Skippy http://bnp.org.uk/2009/07/does-the-church-of-england-hate-british-people/comment-page-3/#comment-236932 Skippy Tue, 07 Jul 2009 09:45:47 +0000 http://bnp.org.uk/?p=19545#comment-236932 It's all about bums on seats,folks. White British do not go to church but lots of people of overseas origin still do.Ergo they are more important to the C of E than the British.It's simple ! I myself stopped going to church when I realised this fact some 25 / 30 years ago.The whole tenor of the church seemed to be a fixation on problems overseas regardless of the poor and homeless in UK. I now reside in Australia,and it's the same here.Whenever I pass my local Anglican church,which is quite often at the end of services on a Sunday,the congregation exiting the church is predominately Asian,i.e.Philipino,Karen,Fijian etc. It's all about bums on seats,folks.
White British do not go to church but lots of people of overseas origin still do.Ergo they are more important to the C of E than the British.It's simple !
I myself stopped going to church when I realised this fact some 25 / 30 years ago.The whole tenor of the church seemed to be a fixation on problems overseas regardless of the poor and homeless in UK.
I now reside in Australia,and it's the same here.Whenever I pass my local Anglican church,which is quite often at the end of services on a Sunday,the congregation exiting the church is predominately Asian,i.e.Philipino,Karen,Fijian etc.

]]> By: David T http://bnp.org.uk/2009/07/does-the-church-of-england-hate-british-people/comment-page-2/#comment-236794 David T Mon, 06 Jul 2009 22:13:18 +0000 http://bnp.org.uk/?p=19545#comment-236794 sad but true sad but true

]]> By: Kay http://bnp.org.uk/2009/07/does-the-church-of-england-hate-british-people/comment-page-3/#comment-236785 Kay Mon, 06 Jul 2009 22:02:35 +0000 http://bnp.org.uk/?p=19545#comment-236785 In an earlier posting someone stated that we are "Becoming second class citizens in our own country." I say that we are ALREADY second class citizens in our own country! It has already happened. I am heart sick when I see and hear what is/has happened. In an earlier posting someone stated that we are "Becoming second class citizens in our own country."
I say that we are ALREADY second class citizens in our own country!
It has already happened.
I am heart sick when I see and hear what is/has happened.

]]> By: Trickyboy http://bnp.org.uk/2009/07/does-the-church-of-england-hate-british-people/comment-page-1/#comment-236767 Trickyboy Mon, 06 Jul 2009 21:32:04 +0000 http://bnp.org.uk/?p=19545#comment-236767 Just got reply from me mate, he say's it was an english girl about mid 20'ish. Just got reply from me mate, he say's it was an english girl about mid 20'ish.

]]> By: John Bull http://bnp.org.uk/2009/07/does-the-church-of-england-hate-british-people/comment-page-1/#comment-236615 John Bull Mon, 06 Jul 2009 18:57:50 +0000 http://bnp.org.uk/?p=19545#comment-236615 Nice one mate. Nice one mate.

]]> By: Rotait http://bnp.org.uk/2009/07/does-the-church-of-england-hate-british-people/comment-page-3/#comment-236531 Rotait Mon, 06 Jul 2009 17:13:39 +0000 http://bnp.org.uk/?p=19545#comment-236531 The second part of my post on ' the Government's guidelines ' seems to have gone missing ( perhaps because I mentioned Islam ! ) Anyway - as a non Christian - it seems to me that the answer to this crucifix problem is actually very simple. Why don't all those Christians who feel this is an important issue join ( or if necessary form ) a new sect that does REQUIRE the crucifix to be worn as an issue of faith. They could include those nice ' true love waits ' rings as well Job ( geddit ? ) done The second part of my post on ' the Government's guidelines ' seems to have gone missing ( perhaps because I mentioned Islam ! )
Anyway – as a non Christian – it seems to me that the answer to this crucifix problem is actually very simple. Why don't all those Christians who feel this is an important issue join ( or if necessary form ) a new sect that does REQUIRE the crucifix to be worn as an issue of faith. They could include those nice ' true love waits ' rings as well
Job ( geddit ? ) done

]]> By: Dave_Yorkshire http://bnp.org.uk/2009/07/does-the-church-of-england-hate-british-people/comment-page-1/#comment-236493 Dave_Yorkshire Mon, 06 Jul 2009 16:40:29 +0000 http://bnp.org.uk/?p=19545#comment-236493 I'm afraid, at the moment every child needs to wear their crucifix at all times in order to ward off the vampires in Whitehall.... I'm afraid, at the moment every child needs to wear their crucifix at all times in order to ward off the vampires in Whitehall….

]]> By: bodica http://bnp.org.uk/2009/07/does-the-church-of-england-hate-british-people/comment-page-1/#comment-236460 bodica Mon, 06 Jul 2009 16:02:54 +0000 http://bnp.org.uk/?p=19545#comment-236460 They took over one hub of community life - the Post Office... Hastings is a jewel in the crown of our history and heritage. They took over one hub of community life – the Post Office…

Hastings is a jewel in the crown of our history and heritage.

]]> By: bulldogbob http://bnp.org.uk/2009/07/does-the-church-of-england-hate-british-people/comment-page-3/#comment-236395 bulldogbob Mon, 06 Jul 2009 14:11:52 +0000 http://bnp.org.uk/?p=19545#comment-236395 I saw on the news at lunch time that there is a breakaway splinter section of the church that wants to follow the teachings of the bible and turn away from things such as homosexuality and other things that have crept in with this permissive church . Luvverly jubbly , perhaps they are going to be the thorn in their side the same as the BNP have/are becoming the thorn in the side of mainstream politicians . Times , it would appear are a changing and after years of claptrap from these self servers everywhere , we could be heading back to a lot of the traditional values that made this nation great and what every reader and correspondent on this site probably craves. I saw on the news at lunch time that there is a breakaway splinter section of the church that wants to follow the teachings of the bible and turn away from things such as homosexuality and other things that have crept in with this permissive church . Luvverly jubbly , perhaps they are going to be the thorn in their side the same as the BNP have/are becoming the thorn in the side of mainstream politicians . Times , it would appear are a changing and after years of claptrap from these self servers everywhere , we could be heading back to a lot of the traditional values that made this nation great and what every reader and correspondent on this site probably craves.

]]> By: Rotait http://bnp.org.uk/2009/07/does-the-church-of-england-hate-british-people/comment-page-1/#comment-236394 Rotait Mon, 06 Jul 2009 14:10:41 +0000 http://bnp.org.uk/?p=19545#comment-236394 All local rags are the same - always showing the smiling enrichers shaking hands with some council dhimmie. But look closer - the projects they support are always related to the local mosque or to ' support multicultural understanding ' .For unlike the sponsored abseils / race for life's / Round Table raffles etc the ethnics always have some specific interest in ' their projects ' Another reason not to buy local papers And Hastings and St Leonards ? I went there once many moons ago - how did the Zanu tyranny take over there ?? All local rags are the same – always showing the smiling enrichers shaking hands with some council dhimmie. But look closer – the projects they support are always related to the local mosque or to ' support multicultural understanding ' .For unlike the sponsored abseils / race for life's / Round Table raffles etc the ethnics always have some specific interest in ' their projects '
Another reason not to buy local papers
And Hastings and St Leonards ? I went there once many moons ago – how did the Zanu tyranny take over there ??

]]> By: Rotait http://bnp.org.uk/2009/07/does-the-church-of-england-hate-british-people/comment-page-3/#comment-236384 Rotait Mon, 06 Jul 2009 13:57:56 +0000 http://bnp.org.uk/?p=19545#comment-236384 There has been some debate as to whether or not the CoE actually hates the British people or is so deluded / cut adrift / infected by PC etc that it could not care less about the fate of native Britons* It seems to me that the difference is unimportant - the important thing is to examine the effect of the CoE's actions / inaction. After all passers by , in the Good Samaritan story , did not have to actually 'hate ' the robber's victim as they continued on their way. The CoE is to my mind - whatever its motives - part of the anti british establishment. ( * Although having just read my local parish magazine I am inclined to the view that the CoE does, in fact , despise everything that we would class as being essential to ' Britishness ' ) There has been some debate as to whether or not the CoE actually hates the British people or is so deluded / cut adrift / infected by PC etc that it could not care less about the fate of native Britons*
It seems to me that the difference is unimportant – the important thing is to examine the effect of the CoE's actions / inaction. After all passers by , in the Good Samaritan story , did not have to actually 'hate ' the robber's victim as they continued on their way. The CoE is to my mind – whatever its motives – part of the anti british establishment.
( * Although having just read my local parish magazine I am inclined to the view that the CoE does, in fact , despise everything that we would class as being essential to ' Britishness ' )

]]> By: Prinz Rupert http://bnp.org.uk/2009/07/does-the-church-of-england-hate-british-people/comment-page-3/#comment-236380 Prinz Rupert Mon, 06 Jul 2009 13:45:42 +0000 http://bnp.org.uk/?p=19545#comment-236380 Well, I'm sure we all feel that our lives have been 'enriched' - don't we? Personally, I've made a decision not to attend my local church any more until the absurd and undemocratic ban on membership of the BNP is rescinded. Well, I'm sure we all feel that our lives have been 'enriched' – don't we? Personally, I've made a decision not to attend my local church any more until the absurd and undemocratic ban on membership of the BNP is rescinded.

]]> By: Rotait http://bnp.org.uk/2009/07/does-the-church-of-england-hate-british-people/comment-page-1/#comment-236379 Rotait Mon, 06 Jul 2009 13:44:40 +0000 http://bnp.org.uk/?p=19545#comment-236379 Actually I expect demo's in support of 'our hero ' by the usual lefty soapdodgers outside the Court when he appears and then a decision by the CPS that the continued prosecution is ' not in the public interest '. Actually I expect demo's in support of 'our hero ' by the usual lefty soapdodgers outside the Court when he appears and then a decision by the CPS that the continued prosecution is ' not in the public interest '.

]]> By: Rotait http://bnp.org.uk/2009/07/does-the-church-of-england-hate-british-people/comment-page-3/#comment-236376 Rotait Mon, 06 Jul 2009 13:38:27 +0000 http://bnp.org.uk/?p=19545#comment-236376 The school is actually following the guidlines laid done by the Dept of Education etc on this issue. Its the guidelines that are wrong. They state , in effect , that as it is not essential for christians to wear a crucifix as part of their faith but it is essential for a sikh to wear a bangle the former is jewellery and the latter is not. But several issues arise from this. Firstly the bangle is part of the 5K's which are to worn /carried by someone who has dedicated themselves to the Guru's teaching in the Amrit ceremony - similar to the Christian confirmation. Thus - up to that point - the bangle is just like the crucifix ; jewellery. Secondly - as part of the 5K's sikhs are also required to carry the Kirpan - a steel sword. How many schools are happy with the idea of their pupils carrying around that ' religious symbol ' ? The school is actually following the guidlines laid done by the Dept of Education etc on this issue. Its the guidelines that are wrong. They state , in effect , that as it is not essential for christians to wear a crucifix as part of their faith but it is essential for a sikh to wear a bangle the former is jewellery and the latter is not. But several issues arise from this. Firstly the bangle is part of the 5K's which are to worn /carried by someone who has dedicated themselves to the Guru's teaching in the Amrit ceremony – similar to the Christian confirmation. Thus – up to that point – the bangle is just like the crucifix ; jewellery. Secondly – as part of the 5K's sikhs are also required to carry the Kirpan – a steel sword. How many schools are happy with the idea of their pupils carrying around that ' religious symbol ' ?

]]> By: lenson http://bnp.org.uk/2009/07/does-the-church-of-england-hate-british-people/comment-page-3/#comment-236327 lenson Mon, 06 Jul 2009 11:20:56 +0000 http://bnp.org.uk/?p=19545#comment-236327 in reply to "Rob" comments above. Rob, I agree with some of your comments but here are the financial facts. The C of E are not short on cash only integrety.....read on..... In 2004 the church income was close to £1bn broken down as follows: 40% voluntary giving. Investments 22% Trading and fees14% Grants 9% Fund-raising 4% Land sales 3% As at 2007: Central land holdings: 112,000 acres Local land holdings: 129,000 acres (Financial Times estimate) Average Sunday church attendance (UK) 871,000 (Average Catholic Church attendance 869,221) They are one of the largest land holders in Britain...................lots to sell to Islam. The Church was also involved in Wall Street Hedge Funds as part of their investment portfolio which included short selling of currencies for profit at others expense............ So do not have pity on this redundant institution of self-righteous hypocrites. in reply to "Rob" comments above.

Rob, I agree with some of your comments but here are the financial facts. The C of E are not short on cash only integrety…..read on…..

In 2004 the church income was close to £1bn broken down as follows:

40% voluntary giving.
Investments 22%
Trading and fees14%
Grants 9%
Fund-raising 4%
Land sales 3%

As at 2007:
Central land holdings: 112,000 acres
Local land holdings: 129,000 acres (Financial Times estimate)
Average Sunday church attendance (UK) 871,000 (Average Catholic Church attendance 869,221)

They are one of the largest land holders in Britain……………….lots to sell to Islam.

The Church was also involved in Wall Street Hedge Funds as part of their investment portfolio which included short selling of currencies for profit at others expense………… So do not have pity on this redundant institution of self-righteous hypocrites.

]]> By: Mcaffertythecat http://bnp.org.uk/2009/07/does-the-church-of-england-hate-british-people/comment-page-3/#comment-236311 Mcaffertythecat Mon, 06 Jul 2009 10:02:33 +0000 http://bnp.org.uk/?p=19545#comment-236311 Yes!!! - but 'only' White British people! Peace! Yes!!! – but 'only' White British people!

Peace!

]]> By: Michael http://bnp.org.uk/2009/07/does-the-church-of-england-hate-british-people/comment-page-1/#comment-236300 Michael Mon, 06 Jul 2009 09:37:36 +0000 http://bnp.org.uk/?p=19545#comment-236300 He cals himself "Father" becauese he''s probably what's called "High Church". which is another way of saying he thinks he's a cut above the rest of the faithful. Hey, isn't that exactly what's wrong with the CofE anyhow? He cals himself "Father" becauese he''s probably what's called "High Church". which is another way of saying he thinks he's a cut above the rest of the faithful.
Hey, isn't that exactly what's wrong with the CofE anyhow?

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