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		<title>By: British Science</title>
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		<dc:creator>British Science</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 23:27:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correct. 
 
Important to correctly define Fascism; 
&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giovanni_Gentile&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giovanni_Gentile&lt;/a&gt; 
 
...and to allude to how organisations such as NewLabour behave in similar ways. 
 
If you want a prime example of a fully functional Fascist state, look at North Korea. 
 
I think it would be good if the BNP created its own &quot;Unite Against Fascism&quot; group, use the same language and style, but subtly change the message to point out where Fascism is happening in organisations that oppose it... CCTV; anti-free-speech laws; censorship and media bias; elected dictatorship (our current political system); beating protestors to death on the streets of the capital... 
 
I imagine the BNP is supporting of Proportional Representation and Free Speech... not so hard to sound like the LibDems with that kind of talk! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correct. </p>
<p>Important to correctly define Fascism;<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giovanni_Gentile" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giovanni_Gentile</a> </p>
<p>&#8230;and to allude to how organisations such as NewLabour behave in similar ways. </p>
<p>If you want a prime example of a fully functional Fascist state, look at North Korea. </p>
<p>I think it would be good if the BNP created its own &quot;Unite Against Fascism&quot; group, use the same language and style, but subtly change the message to point out where Fascism is happening in organisations that oppose it&#8230; CCTV; anti-free-speech laws; censorship and media bias; elected dictatorship (our current political system); beating protestors to death on the streets of the capital&#8230; </p>
<p>I imagine the BNP is supporting of Proportional Representation and Free Speech&#8230; not so hard to sound like the LibDems with that kind of talk!</p>
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		<title>By: British Science</title>
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		<dc:creator>British Science</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 23:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely incorrect. 
I take it you are American, from your spelling of &quot;colour&quot;. 
 
Ethnicity means what you think &quot;race&quot; does; except unlike &quot;race&quot; it is specific and definable. 
Ethnicity = Phenotype + Culture; Phenotype = Genotype + Environment. 
In America, people seem to conflate the term with culture, but this is an error. 
 
&quot;Race&quot; is a political term that attempts to combine Mediterranians and Scandinavians, Celts, and Slavs in a false unity. 
The genetic evidence does not support this; and this is well-established academically.  
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.geocities.com/littlednaproject/Y-MAP.GIF&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;http://www.geocities.com/littlednaproject/Y-MAP.G...&lt;/a&gt; 
The indigenous ethnic groups of Britain have specific gene cluster configurations that clearly distinguish them from other European and Caucasoid groups (note that Caucasoid includes Semites, Turks, Indo-Iranians... there is no definable boundary for &quot;whiteness&quot;; but there is for ethnic Englishness; ethnic Scottishness; ethnic Welshness etc...) If we accept the concept of &quot;white&quot; unity, then we are saying that the Polish, Albanians, and Portuguese are as British as we are; they self-evidently are not - they are different ethnicities. 
 
The skin pigmentation phenotype is but one of a set of phenotypes that are defined by our haplotype (the &quot;mtDNA and y-chromo&quot;) gene clusters. Trying to artificially conflate people into a group based on a single phenotype is misconceived - as equally misconceived as defining a group by eye colour, as you correctly observe (and thus prove me right by contradicting yourself). 
 
Recognising the reality of ethnicity, and the fantasy of race does not mean there cannot be unity: I am happy to have cordial relationships with similar foreign ethnic neighbours, but I will not stand for a foreigner dictating to me what my ethnic identity is or how my country should be. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely incorrect.<br />
I take it you are American, from your spelling of &quot;colour&quot;. </p>
<p>Ethnicity means what you think &quot;race&quot; does; except unlike &quot;race&quot; it is specific and definable.<br />
Ethnicity = Phenotype + Culture; Phenotype = Genotype + Environment.<br />
In America, people seem to conflate the term with culture, but this is an error. </p>
<p>&quot;Race&quot; is a political term that attempts to combine Mediterranians and Scandinavians, Celts, and Slavs in a false unity.<br />
The genetic evidence does not support this; and this is well-established academically.<br />
<a href="http://www.geocities.com/littlednaproject/Y-MAP.GIF" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://www.geocities.com/littlednaproject/Y-MAP.G.." rel="nofollow">http://www.geocities.com/littlednaproject/Y-MAP.G..</a>.<br />
The indigenous ethnic groups of Britain have specific gene cluster configurations that clearly distinguish them from other European and Caucasoid groups (note that Caucasoid includes Semites, Turks, Indo-Iranians&#8230; there is no definable boundary for &quot;whiteness&quot;; but there is for ethnic Englishness; ethnic Scottishness; ethnic Welshness etc&#8230;) If we accept the concept of &quot;white&quot; unity, then we are saying that the Polish, Albanians, and Portuguese are as British as we are; they self-evidently are not &#8211; they are different ethnicities. </p>
<p>The skin pigmentation phenotype is but one of a set of phenotypes that are defined by our haplotype (the &quot;mtDNA and y-chromo&quot;) gene clusters. Trying to artificially conflate people into a group based on a single phenotype is misconceived &#8211; as equally misconceived as defining a group by eye colour, as you correctly observe (and thus prove me right by contradicting yourself). </p>
<p>Recognising the reality of ethnicity, and the fantasy of race does not mean there cannot be unity: I am happy to have cordial relationships with similar foreign ethnic neighbours, but I will not stand for a foreigner dictating to me what my ethnic identity is or how my country should be.</p>
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		<title>By: HJ11</title>
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		<dc:creator>HJ11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 23:14:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is important as we tailor our message that we don&#039;t throw the baby out with the bathwater. 
 
One poster on here sets up a syllogism based on a false premise that race doesn&#039;t exist and then concludes that since race doesn&#039;t exist, racism can&#039;t exist.  This is specious logic and is also substantivelly incorrect. 
 
Race does exist.  It is to humans what breed is to dogs and variety is to plants. White race is  one of a number of broad and correct terms for the people of Europe; who have mutated, evolved and adapted to our environment.  The easiest seen mutation is our white skin which allows us to make more Vitamin D in the cloudy lands of Europe. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is important as we tailor our message that we don&#039;t throw the baby out with the bathwater. </p>
<p>One poster on here sets up a syllogism based on a false premise that race doesn&#039;t exist and then concludes that since race doesn&#039;t exist, racism can&#039;t exist.  This is specious logic and is also substantivelly incorrect. </p>
<p>Race does exist.  It is to humans what breed is to dogs and variety is to plants. White race is  one of a number of broad and correct terms for the people of Europe; who have mutated, evolved and adapted to our environment.  The easiest seen mutation is our white skin which allows us to make more Vitamin D in the cloudy lands of Europe.</p>
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		<title>By: HJ11</title>
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		<dc:creator>HJ11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 22:54:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Race does exist.  It is to humans what breed is to dogs and variety is to plants. To try to have the BNP focus on the narrower term ethnicity instead of the broader term race (or &quot;indigenous people&quot;) is a mistake and fragments us.  What next, a blue eyed only BNP?   
 
And as to there being no &quot;white,&quot; this is nonsense.  We are white people. This means we have the mutations (such as to SLC24A5) that give us our skin color that allows in more sun in our less sunny lands. 
 
We need to stop running away from who and what we are: We are the white indigenous peoples of Europe.  Our ancestors left Africa around 50,000 years ago and we began mutating, adapting, evolving and about 12,000 years ago--we white ones were the only one left standing in Europe having replaced the less fit (for our climate and environment) darker peoples. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Race does exist.  It is to humans what breed is to dogs and variety is to plants. To try to have the BNP focus on the narrower term ethnicity instead of the broader term race (or &quot;indigenous people&quot;) is a mistake and fragments us.  What next, a blue eyed only BNP?   </p>
<p>And as to there being no &quot;white,&quot; this is nonsense.  We are white people. This means we have the mutations (such as to SLC24A5) that give us our skin color that allows in more sun in our less sunny lands. </p>
<p>We need to stop running away from who and what we are: We are the white indigenous peoples of Europe.  Our ancestors left Africa around 50,000 years ago and we began mutating, adapting, evolving and about 12,000 years ago&#8211;we white ones were the only one left standing in Europe having replaced the less fit (for our climate and environment) darker peoples.</p>
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		<title>By: Salford Supporter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Salford Supporter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 21:58:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But apart from &#039;racist&#039; the BNP is tagged by the Left as &#039;fascist and &#039;nazi&#039;. It would be useful to point out that as far as &#039;fascism&#039; goes the BNP is opposed to dictatorship and supports multi-party elections, as far as &#039;nazi&#039; goes; the BNP is ethno-nationalist,not racial supremacists as were the Nazis. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But apart from &#039;racist&#039; the BNP is tagged by the Left as &#039;fascist and &#039;nazi&#039;. It would be useful to point out that as far as &#039;fascism&#039; goes the BNP is opposed to dictatorship and supports multi-party elections, as far as &#039;nazi&#039; goes; the BNP is ethno-nationalist,not racial supremacists as were the Nazis.</p>
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		<title>By: MaidofKent</title>
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		<dc:creator>MaidofKent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 20:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stringbag 
 
&quot;You always seem to remain calm and collected, more than I can manage some of the time.&quot; 
 
An advantage and result of a love of History - it puts everything into perspective, which really helps the old blood pressure! Reading and studying various events in history shows that most of what happens today has previously happened at some place and point in history - and we can learn to avoid the mistakes of previous peoples by studying it. In our case, particular examples of similar circumstances can be found in the fall of the Roman Empire and the Rise of Nazi Germany. Someone posted a few days ago on this site (can&#039;t remember who it was) that the fascinating series &#039;The Nazis - a Lesson from History&#039; is being shown again on one of the TV channels - highly recommended viewing, especially the first part which explains the rise of Hitler and the Nazis. 
 
It is my view that populations swing from the Right to Left and back again - and the further the swing to one extreme, the further the resulting swing to the opposite extreme - and I believe that the lessons we can learn from that is to avoid such extreme swings to either side of politics in the first place. The events of the  Weimar Republic strongly mirror the political and economic situation of this country today - although the Germans at that time didn&#039;t have to contend with mass immigration.  
 
One thing that is common throughout history is that the ordinary people of any time and place just want to get on with living their lives in peace and relative prosperity - they don&#039;t particularly care about the political agendas and ideologies of the extremes - as long as they feel that they live in a fair society, have enough food and a roof over their heads, live in safety in a law abiding country - they are pretty satisfied. It is only when they live in a country like ours is today, with rampant violent crime, rising unemployment, a corrupt thieving political class who do nothing to help the people that they are elected to help but instead continue to push their ideological agenda, the treasury bankrupt, their communities full of invaders - that is when the masses start to become politicised - as is now happening. 
 
What I believe we need is a Government with no extreme political ideology, a Government whose only ideology is that an action is good for the people and country, made up of patriotic men and women who put their country and people before themselves and their own enrichment. With a government made of such people, we can then start to put right all the wrongs of the past 50 years. 
 
As for this part of your comment &quot;more than I can manage some of the time.&quot; - don&#039;t forget that we need people of passion - they are the people who&#039;s anger drives them to get things done - we have too many apathetic people in this country today which is why we are in this horrible mess. If we had all got angrier at the injustices heaped on us and our country over the last 50 years, we would never had got to such a tragic state. Controlled anger is the key. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stringbag </p>
<p>&quot;You always seem to remain calm and collected, more than I can manage some of the time.&quot; </p>
<p>An advantage and result of a love of History &#8211; it puts everything into perspective, which really helps the old blood pressure! Reading and studying various events in history shows that most of what happens today has previously happened at some place and point in history &#8211; and we can learn to avoid the mistakes of previous peoples by studying it. In our case, particular examples of similar circumstances can be found in the fall of the Roman Empire and the Rise of Nazi Germany. Someone posted a few days ago on this site (can&#039;t remember who it was) that the fascinating series &#039;The Nazis &#8211; a Lesson from History&#039; is being shown again on one of the TV channels &#8211; highly recommended viewing, especially the first part which explains the rise of Hitler and the Nazis. </p>
<p>It is my view that populations swing from the Right to Left and back again &#8211; and the further the swing to one extreme, the further the resulting swing to the opposite extreme &#8211; and I believe that the lessons we can learn from that is to avoid such extreme swings to either side of politics in the first place. The events of the  Weimar Republic strongly mirror the political and economic situation of this country today &#8211; although the Germans at that time didn&#039;t have to contend with mass immigration.  </p>
<p>One thing that is common throughout history is that the ordinary people of any time and place just want to get on with living their lives in peace and relative prosperity &#8211; they don&#039;t particularly care about the political agendas and ideologies of the extremes &#8211; as long as they feel that they live in a fair society, have enough food and a roof over their heads, live in safety in a law abiding country &#8211; they are pretty satisfied. It is only when they live in a country like ours is today, with rampant violent crime, rising unemployment, a corrupt thieving political class who do nothing to help the people that they are elected to help but instead continue to push their ideological agenda, the treasury bankrupt, their communities full of invaders &#8211; that is when the masses start to become politicised &#8211; as is now happening. </p>
<p>What I believe we need is a Government with no extreme political ideology, a Government whose only ideology is that an action is good for the people and country, made up of patriotic men and women who put their country and people before themselves and their own enrichment. With a government made of such people, we can then start to put right all the wrongs of the past 50 years. </p>
<p>As for this part of your comment &quot;more than I can manage some of the time.&quot; &#8211; don&#039;t forget that we need people of passion &#8211; they are the people who&#039;s anger drives them to get things done &#8211; we have too many apathetic people in this country today which is why we are in this horrible mess. If we had all got angrier at the injustices heaped on us and our country over the last 50 years, we would never had got to such a tragic state. Controlled anger is the key.</p>
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		<title>By: British Science</title>
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		<dc:creator>British Science</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 18:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good Job. 
 
Do the BNP plan to campaign for appropriate amendments to the census and the various &quot;ethnic monitoring forms&quot;? 
 
There is no such thing as &quot;white&quot;, this is a political (arguably American term), and we should not sanction the use of this term.. it has no clearly on consistently defined boundaries, and thus is meaningless (the same goes for &quot;black&quot;, &quot;red&quot;, and &quot;yellow&quot;) ...there is no &quot;whiteland&quot;, no &quot;whitish&quot; language, food, or dress.  ...we should only describe ourselves in terms of our ethnicity, because that&#039;s the only thing that exists - well-established by Oxbridge Professors (Oppenheimer, Edwards, Davis), and defined by our mTDNA and Y-chromosome haplogroup configurations. 
Race does not exist - it doesn&#039;t mean anything - only ethnicity exists, and that&#039;s what we are: ethnic English, ethnic Scottish, ethnic Cornish, ethnic Welsh, ethnic Irish, ethnic Manx; and indigenous, autochthonous British. 
So if race doesn&#039;t exist; how can &quot;racism&quot; exist? Unless, it&#039;s the mistaken belief that &quot;race&quot; exists (even though it can&#039;t be defined), it can&#039;t. 
The BNP is legitimately ethnocentric - just like the Tibetans in China being ethnically-cleansed by Chinese; the West Papuan tribes being ethnically cleansed by Indonesians; the Tutsis being ethnically cleansed by Hutus; the indigenous ethnic groups of Britain are being ethnically cleansed by a traitor-regime. 
 
It&#039;s important that the BNP arms itself with logic, reason, and evidence, to expose the mock-liberal cult and fascist regime that is trying to destroy our country. 
 
I hope the BNP will also support for the other indigenous peoples of Britain and their languages too. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good Job. </p>
<p>Do the BNP plan to campaign for appropriate amendments to the census and the various &quot;ethnic monitoring forms&quot;? </p>
<p>There is no such thing as &quot;white&quot;, this is a political (arguably American term), and we should not sanction the use of this term.. it has no clearly on consistently defined boundaries, and thus is meaningless (the same goes for &quot;black&quot;, &quot;red&quot;, and &quot;yellow&quot;) &#8230;there is no &quot;whiteland&quot;, no &quot;whitish&quot; language, food, or dress.  &#8230;we should only describe ourselves in terms of our ethnicity, because that&#039;s the only thing that exists &#8211; well-established by Oxbridge Professors (Oppenheimer, Edwards, Davis), and defined by our mTDNA and Y-chromosome haplogroup configurations.<br />
Race does not exist &#8211; it doesn&#039;t mean anything &#8211; only ethnicity exists, and that&#039;s what we are: ethnic English, ethnic Scottish, ethnic Cornish, ethnic Welsh, ethnic Irish, ethnic Manx; and indigenous, autochthonous British.<br />
So if race doesn&#039;t exist; how can &quot;racism&quot; exist? Unless, it&#039;s the mistaken belief that &quot;race&quot; exists (even though it can&#039;t be defined), it can&#039;t.<br />
The BNP is legitimately ethnocentric &#8211; just like the Tibetans in China being ethnically-cleansed by Chinese; the West Papuan tribes being ethnically cleansed by Indonesians; the Tutsis being ethnically cleansed by Hutus; the indigenous ethnic groups of Britain are being ethnically cleansed by a traitor-regime. </p>
<p>It&#039;s important that the BNP arms itself with logic, reason, and evidence, to expose the mock-liberal cult and fascist regime that is trying to destroy our country. </p>
<p>I hope the BNP will also support for the other indigenous peoples of Britain and their languages too.</p>
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		<title>By: placenta</title>
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		<dc:creator>placenta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 15:50:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey simon, we&#039;re waiting for a reply! </description>
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		<title>By: SheriffofNottingham</title>
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		<dc:creator>SheriffofNottingham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 15:19:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, pf, it seems to me that you are definitely British and that is the most important point and have since become indistinguishable from English people by assimilation. The English are only one ethnicity in these British Isles, along with the Welsh, Scots and Irish. Over two thousand years ago what we now call England was ruled entirely by Celts; eventually the Romans, Jutes, Angles and Saxons came and pushed the Celts to the north and west. One of the great Celtic events of history was the fifth-century battle between King Arthur and his Celtic army against the non-Celtic pagan hordes in England; the Celts considered King Arthur&#039;s loss in that battle to be the death of civilization and King Arthur remains an important figure in Celtic legend. The English are the latecomers and settled here by conquest and intermarriage with the earlier Celts. It seems a verified fact that Anglo-Saxons, the ancestors of the English, were Germanic but there has also been cross-fertilisation with the Celts in Europe for millennia. We could resort to genetic investigation to find out where we all truly come from but in my opinion that is all water under the bridge compared to the truly exotic genes streaming in over the past sixty years. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, pf, it seems to me that you are definitely British and that is the most important point and have since become indistinguishable from English people by assimilation. The English are only one ethnicity in these British Isles, along with the Welsh, Scots and Irish. Over two thousand years ago what we now call England was ruled entirely by Celts; eventually the Romans, Jutes, Angles and Saxons came and pushed the Celts to the north and west. One of the great Celtic events of history was the fifth-century battle between King Arthur and his Celtic army against the non-Celtic pagan hordes in England; the Celts considered King Arthur&#039;s loss in that battle to be the death of civilization and King Arthur remains an important figure in Celtic legend. The English are the latecomers and settled here by conquest and intermarriage with the earlier Celts. It seems a verified fact that Anglo-Saxons, the ancestors of the English, were Germanic but there has also been cross-fertilisation with the Celts in Europe for millennia. We could resort to genetic investigation to find out where we all truly come from but in my opinion that is all water under the bridge compared to the truly exotic genes streaming in over the past sixty years.</p>
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		<title>By: SheriffofNottingham</title>
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		<dc:creator>SheriffofNottingham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 15:00:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Part 2 
The Dutch are a West Germanic people with less central European influence than Germans (so perhaps more similar to Scandinavians). Genetics can give some clues: (see gene map source). The English are like a cross between the Irish, Dutch and Norwegians. Presumably this reflects indigenous British, Anglo Saxon and Viking influence. North Germans (e.g. from Hamburg) are most closely related to the Danes and Swedes and also Czechs. South Germans are most closely related to Austrians and Swiss and are quite different (probably descended mostly from Germanized Celts) from North Germans. Being German is about shared language and culture rather than race. PS Ignore people who talk about Aryans. As far as I am aware the Aryans (properly Aryas) have never been anywhere near Germany as they are the Indo-European people who colonised Persia (Iran means Aryan) and India during the iron age. Hiltler said Germans were Aryans but Hitler didn&#039;t have a clue. Although there is no racial basis for any nationality or even ethnicity, you can&#039;t argue that there aren&#039;t different patterns of genes across Europe and these can help us to understand previous migrations and connections between different populations.&quot;  
 
What is the differance really between Norse people and Germanic people? - &lt;a href=&quot;http://tinyurl.com/d9c2k3&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;http://tinyurl.com/d9c2k3&lt;/a&gt; 
The Genetic Map of Europe - &lt;a href=&quot;http://tinyurl.com/6ecxx6&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;http://tinyurl.com/6ecxx6&lt;/a&gt; 
Germanic and Celtic - &lt;a href=&quot;http://tinyurl.com/cy558s&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;http://tinyurl.com/cy558s&lt;/a&gt; 
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The Dutch are a West Germanic people with less central European influence than Germans (so perhaps more similar to Scandinavians). Genetics can give some clues: (see gene map source). The English are like a cross between the Irish, Dutch and Norwegians. Presumably this reflects indigenous British, Anglo Saxon and Viking influence. North Germans (e.g. from Hamburg) are most closely related to the Danes and Swedes and also Czechs. South Germans are most closely related to Austrians and Swiss and are quite different (probably descended mostly from Germanized Celts) from North Germans. Being German is about shared language and culture rather than race. PS Ignore people who talk about Aryans. As far as I am aware the Aryans (properly Aryas) have never been anywhere near Germany as they are the Indo-European people who colonised Persia (Iran means Aryan) and India during the iron age. Hiltler said Germans were Aryans but Hitler didn&#039;t have a clue. Although there is no racial basis for any nationality or even ethnicity, you can&#039;t argue that there aren&#039;t different patterns of genes across Europe and these can help us to understand previous migrations and connections between different populations.&quot;  </p>
<p>What is the differance really between Norse people and Germanic people? &#8211; <a href="http://tinyurl.com/d9c2k3" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/d9c2k3</a><br />
The Genetic Map of Europe &#8211; <a href="http://tinyurl.com/6ecxx6" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/6ecxx6</a><br />
Germanic and Celtic &#8211; <a href="http://tinyurl.com/cy558s" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/cy558s</a></p>
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		<title>By: SheriffofNottingham</title>
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		<dc:creator>SheriffofNottingham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 15:00:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Part 1 
Unfortunately, 130770CK5, our genetic inheritance is not for us to choose. British, English and Germans are very much inter-related with many common traits: 
 
&quot;Germanic refers mainly to the people who speak that branch of the Indo-European language family. In the Iron Age they lived in Scandinavia and the coastal plains of what is now Germany. From there some of them spread south into modern Germany and Germanised the indigenous Celtic people (La Tene and Hallstatt). These continental Germanic people became the West Germanic branch of the Germanic family. Those remaining in Scandinavia became the Northern branch of the Germanic family as the West and North differentiated. Much later, during the Middle Ages West Germanic people colonised Slavic lands east of the Elbe river, which is why many towns (including Berlin) have Slavic names. There is therefore quite a big Slavic element in the Eastern part of Germany. Norse is an informal name for the North Germanic or Scandinavian people. Apart from some Scandinavian influence the Scots don&#039;t have any connection with Germanic peoples, other than they speak English of course. One giveaway is the high incidence of red hair in Scotland (13%). Contrary to the popular stereotype red hair is quite a rare trait in truly Germanic populations (1% - 2%).  (Cont&#039;d) 
 
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Unfortunately, 130770CK5, our genetic inheritance is not for us to choose. British, English and Germans are very much inter-related with many common traits: </p>
<p>&quot;Germanic refers mainly to the people who speak that branch of the Indo-European language family. In the Iron Age they lived in Scandinavia and the coastal plains of what is now Germany. From there some of them spread south into modern Germany and Germanised the indigenous Celtic people (La Tene and Hallstatt). These continental Germanic people became the West Germanic branch of the Germanic family. Those remaining in Scandinavia became the Northern branch of the Germanic family as the West and North differentiated. Much later, during the Middle Ages West Germanic people colonised Slavic lands east of the Elbe river, which is why many towns (including Berlin) have Slavic names. There is therefore quite a big Slavic element in the Eastern part of Germany. Norse is an informal name for the North Germanic or Scandinavian people. Apart from some Scandinavian influence the Scots don&#039;t have any connection with Germanic peoples, other than they speak English of course. One giveaway is the high incidence of red hair in Scotland (13%). Contrary to the popular stereotype red hair is quite a rare trait in truly Germanic populations (1% &#8211; 2%).  (Cont&#039;d)</p>
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		<title>By: wiin</title>
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		<dc:creator>wiin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 11:43:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recall a local BNP leaflet from years ago entitled &quot;A korma, a korma, my kingdom for a korma&quot; that looked at the very same issue.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recall a local BNP leaflet from years ago entitled &quot;A korma, a korma, my kingdom for a korma&quot; that looked at the very same issue.</p>
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		<title>By: wiin</title>
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		<dc:creator>wiin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 11:40:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately Bryson ducked the issue of immigration and its effects on Britain. </description>
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		<title>By: wiin</title>
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		<dc:creator>wiin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 11:35:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neigh (nay) lad... </description>
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		<title>By: maidofalbion71</title>
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		<dc:creator>maidofalbion71</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 11:21:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes I agree, no modern group can compare with those of the 60&#039;s and 70&#039;s, even the musi seems to be dumbed down these days, I wonder if that&#039;s part of a government plot, maybe I&#039;m getting into the realms of conspiracy theories there.  I got into Queen in a big way when they released RadioGaGa and I Want To Break Free. 
 
For some reason I seem to have two profiles here, one of them with a pic of Roger Taylor in the vid of IWTBF.    </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes I agree, no modern group can compare with those of the 60&#039;s and 70&#039;s, even the musi seems to be dumbed down these days, I wonder if that&#039;s part of a government plot, maybe I&#039;m getting into the realms of conspiracy theories there.  I got into Queen in a big way when they released RadioGaGa and I Want To Break Free. </p>
<p>For some reason I seem to have two profiles here, one of them with a pic of Roger Taylor in the vid of IWTBF.</p>
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		<title>By: woden</title>
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		<dc:creator>woden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 11:18:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The anti-Brits will inevitably be scouring the guide for something they can twist into a story &#039;proving&#039; the BNP are Nazis. Or if they can&#039;t do that they will just fabricate something anyway. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The anti-Brits will inevitably be scouring the guide for something they can twist into a story &#039;proving&#039; the BNP are Nazis. Or if they can&#039;t do that they will just fabricate something anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Stringbag</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stringbag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 10:07:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some clown in the Guardian the other day reckoned that what we needed was a black Poet Laureate to be in &quot;multi-cultural heaven&quot;. Here is one of his candidates; I wouldn&#039;t mind if the poetry was actually any good[youtube IHyWyTpBgsA &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHyWyTpBgsA&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHyWyTpBgsA&lt;/a&gt; youtube] </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some clown in the Guardian the other day reckoned that what we needed was a black Poet Laureate to be in &quot;multi-cultural heaven&quot;. Here is one of his candidates; I wouldn&#039;t mind if the poetry was actually any good[youtube IHyWyTpBgsA <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHyWyTpBgsA" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHyWyTpBgsA</a> youtube]</p>
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		<title>By: Anglosaxon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anglosaxon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 10:04:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am pleased to see the BNP addressing this issue, the rabid foaming mouthed lefties try at every juncture to vilify the BNP, they continually regurgitate stuff from 10, 20 years back and sell it off as policy. 
 
It really pisses me off to hear Sinn Fein feted by the media with Martin McGuinness and Gerry Adams who were complicit in mass murder now being called statesmen! 
 
They even turn a blind eye to fanatical Islam and its evil leaders, but let the BNP stick its head above the parapet and the hypocrites measure the party with a different set of values. 
 
Well done 10/10 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am pleased to see the BNP addressing this issue, the rabid foaming mouthed lefties try at every juncture to vilify the BNP, they continually regurgitate stuff from 10, 20 years back and sell it off as policy. </p>
<p>It really pisses me off to hear Sinn Fein feted by the media with Martin McGuinness and Gerry Adams who were complicit in mass murder now being called statesmen! </p>
<p>They even turn a blind eye to fanatical Islam and its evil leaders, but let the BNP stick its head above the parapet and the hypocrites measure the party with a different set of values. </p>
<p>Well done 10/10</p>
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		<title>By: Stringbag</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stringbag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 09:56:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maid of Kent 
 
I&#039;m glad you have signed on for ID so that your comments are recorded, because they are worth reading. You always seem to reamain calm and collected, more than I can manage some of the time. 
 
This &quot;national dish&quot;, which the late and unlamented Robin Cook came out with, as the main benefit of multi-culti always seems pretty desperate to me, they always seem hard put to come up with anything else in cultural terms. I always respond, well is that it? Is that what we get in return for the enormous downsides? 
 
It may be that British cuisine had become bland and uninspiring; I suppose  world wars rationing and subsequent austerity had a great deal to do with that. But the trouble with all this mindless multi-culti pandering is that it has effectively precluded development on indigenous lines drawing upon our rich and sumptuous past , as the sheeple all troop off to trough a Balti - tasty, but a sloppy spicy stew and hardly a cultural highlight. 
 
For me Russian Lit and German music is simply awesome, but it doesn&#039;t mean that mass immigration is required to savour them. Where in any case are the great writers, artists and musicians of multi-culti Britain? Where is the Turner, the Vaughan Willams, the Dickens, the Thackeray? Disgustingly white - one and all - and the products of a condident, homogenious common culture. You would think that there would have been some great cultural flowering if multi-culti  was all it was cracked up to be. When I read second-raters like Julian Barnes and Ian McEwan the picture I get is of an author struggling for inspiration in front of the PC in his Hampstead abode, and not really coming that close. It just doesn&#039;t cut it. 
 
As for &quot;Zoo Nation&quot; words fail </description>
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<p>I&#039;m glad you have signed on for ID so that your comments are recorded, because they are worth reading. You always seem to reamain calm and collected, more than I can manage some of the time. </p>
<p>This &quot;national dish&quot;, which the late and unlamented Robin Cook came out with, as the main benefit of multi-culti always seems pretty desperate to me, they always seem hard put to come up with anything else in cultural terms. I always respond, well is that it? Is that what we get in return for the enormous downsides? </p>
<p>It may be that British cuisine had become bland and uninspiring; I suppose  world wars rationing and subsequent austerity had a great deal to do with that. But the trouble with all this mindless multi-culti pandering is that it has effectively precluded development on indigenous lines drawing upon our rich and sumptuous past , as the sheeple all troop off to trough a Balti &#8211; tasty, but a sloppy spicy stew and hardly a cultural highlight. </p>
<p>For me Russian Lit and German music is simply awesome, but it doesn&#039;t mean that mass immigration is required to savour them. Where in any case are the great writers, artists and musicians of multi-culti Britain? Where is the Turner, the Vaughan Willams, the Dickens, the Thackeray? Disgustingly white &#8211; one and all &#8211; and the products of a condident, homogenious common culture. You would think that there would have been some great cultural flowering if multi-culti  was all it was cracked up to be. When I read second-raters like Julian Barnes and Ian McEwan the picture I get is of an author struggling for inspiration in front of the PC in his Hampstead abode, and not really coming that close. It just doesn&#039;t cut it. </p>
<p>As for &quot;Zoo Nation&quot; words fail</p>
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		<title>By: 130770CK5</title>
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		<dc:creator>130770CK5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 09:48:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is important to note that it is the &#039;England&#039; football team, not the &#039;English&#039; football team.  I suppose this gets round the &#039;race&#039; issue?  Many of our Black football players are very good, as are the black sportsmen who represent many nations.  They certainly do have some very special qualities in this regard.  This could suggest that when the BNP policies come to fruition, we could be beaten at football a lot more than we are already? 
 
Whilst we should not complain too much about the manager&#8217;s choice of players, I do think that the employment of foreign players in football clubs should be limited.  They should be subject to work permits, just as much as foreign bricklayers would be.  Then there is the issue of the size of their pay packets, it&#8217;s immoral! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is important to note that it is the &#039;England&#039; football team, not the &#039;English&#039; football team.  I suppose this gets round the &#039;race&#039; issue?  Many of our Black football players are very good, as are the black sportsmen who represent many nations.  They certainly do have some very special qualities in this regard.  This could suggest that when the BNP policies come to fruition, we could be beaten at football a lot more than we are already? </p>
<p>Whilst we should not complain too much about the manager&rsquo;s choice of players, I do think that the employment of foreign players in football clubs should be limited.  They should be subject to work permits, just as much as foreign bricklayers would be.  Then there is the issue of the size of their pay packets, it&rsquo;s immoral!</p>
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