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		<title>By: RW</title>
		<link>http://bnp.org.uk/2008/06/anglican-church-complaining/comment-page-1/#comment-33830</link>
		<dc:creator>RW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 15:32:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article4231023.ece

Times June 28 2880: &lt;i&gt;The Anglican Communion will be split tomorrow when conservatives representing more than half its total membership will announce the formation of a new orthodox body to be a stronghold against liberal views. It will be schism in all but name.

The new global Anglican fellowship ... will declare its independence ...

The fellowship represents a direct challenge to ... the Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr Rowan Williams, and the Primate of the US Episcopal Church, Bishop Katharine Jefferts Schori.

Millions of Anglicans and entire provinces in the Global South ... want nothing more to do with their former colonial masters who have adopted a theology that they find too liberal.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
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<p>Times June 28 2880: <i>The Anglican Communion will be split tomorrow when conservatives representing more than half its total membership will announce the formation of a new orthodox body to be a stronghold against liberal views. It will be schism in all but name.</p>
<p>The new global Anglican fellowship &#8230; will declare its independence &#8230;</p>
<p>The fellowship represents a direct challenge to &#8230; the Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr Rowan Williams, and the Primate of the US Episcopal Church, Bishop Katharine Jefferts Schori.</p>
<p>Millions of Anglicans and entire provinces in the Global South &#8230; want nothing more to do with their former colonial masters who have adopted a theology that they find too liberal.</i></p>
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		<title>By: Mandala</title>
		<link>http://bnp.org.uk/2008/06/anglican-church-complaining/comment-page-1/#comment-30261</link>
		<dc:creator>Mandala</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 10:24:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny how only the immigrant priests will speak out in defence of Christianity.</description>
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		<title>By: RW</title>
		<link>http://bnp.org.uk/2008/06/anglican-church-complaining/comment-page-1/#comment-29986</link>
		<dc:creator>RW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 10:20:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Assets, rent, and the Church of England&lt;/b&gt;

This is from a Daily Telegraph reader&#039;s email: &quot;The Christain Church and its sub-denominations are the  largest landowners and Freeholders of rented property in the UK. They are far from hard-up&quot; 

When some C of E rented spokesman says &quot;Let them all come&quot;, he may well mean &quot;Let them all come - we will collect rent from them, which the taxpayer will be forced to pay as housing benefit.&quot;  I only thought of that yesterday - it&#039;s typical of the near-dead state of British political reporting that nobody mentioned this possibility, anywhere, as far as I know.</description>
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<p>This is from a Daily Telegraph reader&#8217;s email: &#8220;The Christain Church and its sub-denominations are the  largest landowners and Freeholders of rented property in the UK. They are far from hard-up&#8221; </p>
<p>When some C of E rented spokesman says &#8220;Let them all come&#8221;, he may well mean &#8220;Let them all come &#8211; we will collect rent from them, which the taxpayer will be forced to pay as housing benefit.&#8221;  I only thought of that yesterday &#8211; it&#8217;s typical of the near-dead state of British political reporting that nobody mentioned this possibility, anywhere, as far as I know.</p>
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		<title>By: RW</title>
		<link>http://bnp.org.uk/2008/06/anglican-church-complaining/comment-page-1/#comment-29930</link>
		<dc:creator>RW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 22:12:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alanorei, it&#039;s not clear to what extent English law is Bible-based. A Thinker&#039;s Library volume by Hypatia Bradlaugh (1912) gives some detail, quoting Judges such as Jermin 1649, Keble 1649 and 1657, Matthew Hale 1676 and others, up to Coleridge in 1883 who, controversially (if I&#039;ve understood this properly) said that although generally people say Britain is &#039;Christian&#039;, it&#039;s not in fact true as regards the law. When you think about it, property law, tithes, slavery, military activities etc don&#039;t follow Christian principles at all.  Moreover the fact is that much British activity for the past several centuries--rise of science, technology, popular education, democracy--has had little input from the churches, and what it had was usually damaging. I accept that for example Methodists came up with interesting stuff, but it&#039;s hard to maintain it was of much importance. So really I adopt the rationalist attitude and have little sympathy at all for the C of E; even as a refuge for superstitious or credulous people it&#039;s not up to much. (There&#039;s also the possibility of unconscious influence--for example, most native Britons assume that marriage should be to one partner, and it&#039;s possible this is a Biblically-influenced attitude).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alanorei, it&#8217;s not clear to what extent English law is Bible-based. A Thinker&#8217;s Library volume by Hypatia Bradlaugh (1912) gives some detail, quoting Judges such as Jermin 1649, Keble 1649 and 1657, Matthew Hale 1676 and others, up to Coleridge in 1883 who, controversially (if I&#8217;ve understood this properly) said that although generally people say Britain is &#8216;Christian&#8217;, it&#8217;s not in fact true as regards the law. When you think about it, property law, tithes, slavery, military activities etc don&#8217;t follow Christian principles at all.  Moreover the fact is that much British activity for the past several centuries&#8211;rise of science, technology, popular education, democracy&#8211;has had little input from the churches, and what it had was usually damaging. I accept that for example Methodists came up with interesting stuff, but it&#8217;s hard to maintain it was of much importance. So really I adopt the rationalist attitude and have little sympathy at all for the C of E; even as a refuge for superstitious or credulous people it&#8217;s not up to much. (There&#8217;s also the possibility of unconscious influence&#8211;for example, most native Britons assume that marriage should be to one partner, and it&#8217;s possible this is a Biblically-influenced attitude).</p>
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		<title>By: PJD</title>
		<link>http://bnp.org.uk/2008/06/anglican-church-complaining/comment-page-1/#comment-29879</link>
		<dc:creator>PJD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 17:23:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alanorei&#039;s succinct history of the undermining of the KJV by academics in C19th England is, IMHO, very significant in the declension of our peoples. 
The process by the Oxford movement/ Westcott &amp; Hort was mirrored in Scotland. Academics like Marcus Dods, AB Davidson and others led the way in destroying popular belief in the Bible, while publically saying they were doing the opposite. There is a good review of this in Iain H Murray&#039;s recent book, &quot;A Scottish Christian Heritage&quot;, available from Banner of Truth in Edinburgh.
Oliver Cromwell&#039;s favourite Bible passage was Psalm 85, the sixth verse of which reads
&quot;Wilt thou not revive us again; that thy people may rejoice in thee?&quot;
As far as I hear, there is evidence that people are returning to reading the (KJV) Bible, even despite the spiritual wilderness induced by many of the official churches.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alanorei&#8217;s succinct history of the undermining of the KJV by academics in C19th England is, IMHO, very significant in the declension of our peoples.<br />
The process by the Oxford movement/ Westcott &amp; Hort was mirrored in Scotland. Academics like Marcus Dods, AB Davidson and others led the way in destroying popular belief in the Bible, while publically saying they were doing the opposite. There is a good review of this in Iain H Murray&#8217;s recent book, &#8220;A Scottish Christian Heritage&#8221;, available from Banner of Truth in Edinburgh.<br />
Oliver Cromwell&#8217;s favourite Bible passage was Psalm 85, the sixth verse of which reads<br />
&#8220;Wilt thou not revive us again; that thy people may rejoice in thee?&#8221;<br />
As far as I hear, there is evidence that people are returning to reading the (KJV) Bible, even despite the spiritual wilderness induced by many of the official churches.</p>
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		<title>By: Alanorei</title>
		<link>http://bnp.org.uk/2008/06/anglican-church-complaining/comment-page-1/#comment-29862</link>
		<dc:creator>Alanorei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 15:45:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, RW, I think your post effectively bears out Bishop Ryle&#039;s observation.

It also mirrors the reasons* for the various church splits that happened in the 17th-18th centuries, e.g., into Independents, Congregationalists, Separatists etc., some of whom even became Baptists. *i.e. dissatisfaction with the established church.

(John Bunyan in The Pilgrim&#039;s Progress Part 2 even referred to the national church as &quot;the beast&quot; of Revelation 13 - no-one&#039;s gone quite that far yet at the present time.)

In other words, England has been here before. Dissenter dissatisfaction with a hollowed-out, almost moribund national church was partly what inspired the Wesleyan Revolution of the 18th century. But as the history of revival shows, the 1611 Authorized King James Bible is the essential instrument of revival in the hands of men like Wesley, Whitefield and others. This condition is basic. As indeed the history of non-revival of the 20th century demonstrates. You are also right about the BNP&#039;s role. It is a secular organisation, not an ecclesiastical one. But to the extent that the laws and customs of the realm are bible-based, it can at least uphold and defend such principles (as indeed it does). Especially when the church custodians of those laws and customs have largely fled the field of battle or defected to the enemy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, RW, I think your post effectively bears out Bishop Ryle&#8217;s observation.</p>
<p>It also mirrors the reasons* for the various church splits that happened in the 17th-18th centuries, e.g., into Independents, Congregationalists, Separatists etc., some of whom even became Baptists. *i.e. dissatisfaction with the established church.</p>
<p>(John Bunyan in The Pilgrim&#8217;s Progress Part 2 even referred to the national church as &#8220;the beast&#8221; of Revelation 13 &#8211; no-one&#8217;s gone quite that far yet at the present time.)</p>
<p>In other words, England has been here before. Dissenter dissatisfaction with a hollowed-out, almost moribund national church was partly what inspired the Wesleyan Revolution of the 18th century. But as the history of revival shows, the 1611 Authorized King James Bible is the essential instrument of revival in the hands of men like Wesley, Whitefield and others. This condition is basic. As indeed the history of non-revival of the 20th century demonstrates. You are also right about the BNP&#8217;s role. It is a secular organisation, not an ecclesiastical one. But to the extent that the laws and customs of the realm are bible-based, it can at least uphold and defend such principles (as indeed it does). Especially when the church custodians of those laws and customs have largely fled the field of battle or defected to the enemy.</p>
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		<title>By: essemess</title>
		<link>http://bnp.org.uk/2008/06/anglican-church-complaining/comment-page-1/#comment-29855</link>
		<dc:creator>essemess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 14:47:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just had the same email as Corinthian. Another reply straight from the Common Purpose Standard Multiculture Phrase Book:

&quot;In Britain today, people of many different faiths and beliefs live side by side.&quot;

And some segregate themselves, making whole areas no-go zones for people of other faiths and cultures. 
Time to start another petition. After all, didn&#039;t McBroon promise to listen to the people from now on? ROFLMAO</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just had the same email as Corinthian. Another reply straight from the Common Purpose Standard Multiculture Phrase Book:</p>
<p>&#8220;In Britain today, people of many different faiths and beliefs live side by side.&#8221;</p>
<p>And some segregate themselves, making whole areas no-go zones for people of other faiths and cultures.<br />
Time to start another petition. After all, didn&#8217;t McBroon promise to listen to the people from now on? ROFLMAO</p>
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		<title>By: Corinthian</title>
		<link>http://bnp.org.uk/2008/06/anglican-church-complaining/comment-page-1/#comment-29851</link>
		<dc:creator>Corinthian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 14:29:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just got a reply from a petition I signed ages ago on the government&#039;s E-petitions website. 

Petition:
We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to make a public statement that defends the indigenous British way of life and repel any attempt by anyone at any time to remove our culture and Christian foundation to satisfy political correctness or political expediency.

Reply:
The Government recognises that the Christian Churches have had an immense historic influence in shaping society, and make significant contributions in a wide range of areas such as community development, education, social inclusion and heritage. For these reasons, the Churches have made and continue to make a particular and distinctive contribution to the development and implementation of Government policy in certain areas. The Government welcomes their continuing contribution.

In Britain today, people of many different faiths and beliefs live side by side. The Government wants us all to live in a Britain of strong, confident communities, where people of all different backgrounds get on together.

You can view it here : http://www.pm.gov.uk/output/Page15713.asp</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just got a reply from a petition I signed ages ago on the government&#8217;s E-petitions website. </p>
<p>Petition:<br />
We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to make a public statement that defends the indigenous British way of life and repel any attempt by anyone at any time to remove our culture and Christian foundation to satisfy political correctness or political expediency.</p>
<p>Reply:<br />
The Government recognises that the Christian Churches have had an immense historic influence in shaping society, and make significant contributions in a wide range of areas such as community development, education, social inclusion and heritage. For these reasons, the Churches have made and continue to make a particular and distinctive contribution to the development and implementation of Government policy in certain areas. The Government welcomes their continuing contribution.</p>
<p>In Britain today, people of many different faiths and beliefs live side by side. The Government wants us all to live in a Britain of strong, confident communities, where people of all different backgrounds get on together.</p>
<p>You can view it here : <a href="http://www.pm.gov.uk/output/Page15713.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.pm.gov.uk/output/Page15713.asp</a></p>
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		<title>By: Less1leg</title>
		<link>http://bnp.org.uk/2008/06/anglican-church-complaining/comment-page-1/#comment-29849</link>
		<dc:creator>Less1leg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 14:17:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a little too late for the Anglican Church to start complaining now. Just look at the leaders that have been installed into positions of authority. None are following the teachings of the bible. The leaders of the Anglican Church have been making the Scriptures pointless bits of old history. The Scriptures, and the hymns of the previous church have been sold out for politically correct garbage, and the over-liberalism of church structure has undermined the stability. Maybe in time the liberalism will be routed out, and a return to scripture will occur. Until that time comes the actual church will continue to founder and questions concerning the principals of the church will be asked. Is this church, the Anglican Church a social club with fancy songs, or is it a church? Since the 1960s the Anglican Church has been acting as a social club for liberals, and has lost its position as a church. With the question of acting like a church being lost you will notice that the participating membership has dropped as proof of its lost direction of the scriptures. Liberalism has destroyed the meaning and the intent of the church.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a little too late for the Anglican Church to start complaining now. Just look at the leaders that have been installed into positions of authority. None are following the teachings of the bible. The leaders of the Anglican Church have been making the Scriptures pointless bits of old history. The Scriptures, and the hymns of the previous church have been sold out for politically correct garbage, and the over-liberalism of church structure has undermined the stability. Maybe in time the liberalism will be routed out, and a return to scripture will occur. Until that time comes the actual church will continue to founder and questions concerning the principals of the church will be asked. Is this church, the Anglican Church a social club with fancy songs, or is it a church? Since the 1960s the Anglican Church has been acting as a social club for liberals, and has lost its position as a church. With the question of acting like a church being lost you will notice that the participating membership has dropped as proof of its lost direction of the scriptures. Liberalism has destroyed the meaning and the intent of the church.</p>
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		<title>By: RW</title>
		<link>http://bnp.org.uk/2008/06/anglican-church-complaining/comment-page-1/#comment-29755</link>
		<dc:creator>RW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 20:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alanorei, I think one has to distinguish between the &#039;laity&#039; as they are rather patronisingly called, and the church hierarchies.  After all, people come into contact with a bishop about as often as an MP. Politically, most normal people aren&#039;t at all bothered about religion, but there&#039;s a small minority who consider themselves Christian and the BNP has to consider the votes of both. Imho, the Church in fact contributed almost nothing to Britain (I wrote a severe email giving a list of examples, which one of the editors decided not to put here!) so the BNP ought to be secular, though of course all of us would prefer modern feeble Christianity to primitive premedieval barbarism. 

The evidence is though that the Church hierarchy will do little for itself; they are like old people who send money to the charities that bombard them with begging letters - rather than decide for themselves what&#039;s best.  Politically one has to face the fact the C of E is either useless and sponging, or actually harmful.  I suppose it&#039;s conceivable this may change - after all they should in theory have some grasp of what Islam and Judaism are about - but I certainly won&#039;t hold my breath.  The best approach to voters I think is to say the BNP espouses Christian values or essence or aspirations, without too much detail...

--
&lt;em&gt;Don&#039;t forget the C of E is the biggest voluntary organisation in the UK, by far.&lt;/em&gt; - &lt;strong&gt;Ed.&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alanorei, I think one has to distinguish between the &#8216;laity&#8217; as they are rather patronisingly called, and the church hierarchies.  After all, people come into contact with a bishop about as often as an MP. Politically, most normal people aren&#8217;t at all bothered about religion, but there&#8217;s a small minority who consider themselves Christian and the BNP has to consider the votes of both. Imho, the Church in fact contributed almost nothing to Britain (I wrote a severe email giving a list of examples, which one of the editors decided not to put here!) so the BNP ought to be secular, though of course all of us would prefer modern feeble Christianity to primitive premedieval barbarism. </p>
<p>The evidence is though that the Church hierarchy will do little for itself; they are like old people who send money to the charities that bombard them with begging letters &#8211; rather than decide for themselves what&#8217;s best.  Politically one has to face the fact the C of E is either useless and sponging, or actually harmful.  I suppose it&#8217;s conceivable this may change &#8211; after all they should in theory have some grasp of what Islam and Judaism are about &#8211; but I certainly won&#8217;t hold my breath.  The best approach to voters I think is to say the BNP espouses Christian values or essence or aspirations, without too much detail&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8211;<br />
<em>Don&#8217;t forget the C of E is the biggest voluntary organisation in the UK, by far.</em> &#8211; <strong>Ed.</strong></p>
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		<title>By: Artorius</title>
		<link>http://bnp.org.uk/2008/06/anglican-church-complaining/comment-page-1/#comment-29749</link>
		<dc:creator>Artorius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 20:34:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meanwhile, at an &#039;Asian Community Centre&#039; somewhere near you http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mjw3eojQC90&amp;feature=related</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meanwhile, at an &#8216;Asian Community Centre&#8217; somewhere near you <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mjw3eojQC90&amp;feature=related" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mjw3eojQC90&amp;feature=related</a></p>
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		<title>By: Gamlegorm The White</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gamlegorm The White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 16:00:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Abou Ben Adhem 

Abou Ben Adhem (may his tribe increase!) 
Awoke one night from a deep dream of peace, 
And saw, within the moonlight in his room, 
Making it rich, and like a lily in bloom, 
An Angel writing in a book of gold: 

Exceeding peace had made Ben Adhem bold, 
And to the Presence in the room he said, 
&quot;What writest thou?&quot; The Vision raised its head, 
And with a look made of all sweet accord 
Answered, &quot;The names of those who love the Lord.&quot; 

&quot;And is mine one?&quot; said Abou. &quot;Nay, not so,&quot; 
Replied the Angel. Abou spoke more low, 
But cheerily still; and said, &quot;I pray thee, then, 
Write me as one who loves his fellow men.&quot; 

The Angel wrote, and vanished. The next night 
It came again with a great wakening light, 
And showed the names whom love of God had blessed, 
And, lo! Ben Adhem&#039;s name led all the rest! 

-- James Leigh Hunt


Abou’s tribe has increased alright but what comes next somewhere to house the tribe and a new land to colonise maybe?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Abou Ben Adhem </p>
<p>Abou Ben Adhem (may his tribe increase!)<br />
Awoke one night from a deep dream of peace,<br />
And saw, within the moonlight in his room,<br />
Making it rich, and like a lily in bloom,<br />
An Angel writing in a book of gold: </p>
<p>Exceeding peace had made Ben Adhem bold,<br />
And to the Presence in the room he said,<br />
&#8220;What writest thou?&#8221; The Vision raised its head,<br />
And with a look made of all sweet accord<br />
Answered, &#8220;The names of those who love the Lord.&#8221; </p>
<p>&#8220;And is mine one?&#8221; said Abou. &#8220;Nay, not so,&#8221;<br />
Replied the Angel. Abou spoke more low,<br />
But cheerily still; and said, &#8220;I pray thee, then,<br />
Write me as one who loves his fellow men.&#8221; </p>
<p>The Angel wrote, and vanished. The next night<br />
It came again with a great wakening light,<br />
And showed the names whom love of God had blessed,<br />
And, lo! Ben Adhem&#8217;s name led all the rest! </p>
<p>&#8211; James Leigh Hunt</p>
<p>Abou’s tribe has increased alright but what comes next somewhere to house the tribe and a new land to colonise maybe?</p>
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		<title>By: Alanorei</title>
		<link>http://bnp.org.uk/2008/06/anglican-church-complaining/comment-page-1/#comment-29698</link>
		<dc:creator>Alanorei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Charles Ryle, the first Anglican Bishop of Liverpool, said back in the 1890s:

&quot;A sapping and mining process has been long going on under our feet, of which we are beginning at last to see a little. We shall see a good deal more by and by.&quot;

We are.

It began with the Oxford Movement, 1833-1845, aimed at diverting the Church of England from the 1611 English King James Bible as its final authority to a more ritualistic basis, like that of the Church of Rome.

The other main line of attack was the replacement of the 1611 English Bible with a Romish text, the Revised Version, which was published in 1881 (NT) and 1884 (OT+NT). The prime movers were two Cambridge academics, B.F. Westcott and F.J.A. Hort. Westcott was a Bishop of Durham. His name is listed in the cathedral. They had worked on the project secretly since 1870.

The RV virtually disappeared off the radar before 1900 but the damage was done. The C of E was persuaded to abandon the 1611 Bible for the opinions of academics* on faith and morals and to move closer to the ritualism of the Oxford Movement.

The national church has never recovered from these twin assaults. It is now a hollowed-out shell (showing that Common Purpose existed long before it was called that).

Once a church abandons its biblical basis for authority, it has none left, unless it can dupe its adherents with a combination of bullying and superstitution, as in say, Latin America.  Although not from a biblical foundation as such, Islam is the same (a state church), as is Marxism (the &#039;state religion&#039; is evolutionary atheism).

Whether this latest report is the C of E&#039;s final death throes or the result of somebody stumbling over a KJB, I don&#039;t know.  I hope the latter.

*Note that the C of E&#039;s bizarre anti-biblical attitude on many issues, e.g. &#039;gay&#039; marriage (that astounds even non-church goers), is very &#039;academic&#039; in nature.  As one who had considerable contact with academics over the years, I can well believe that those in the church realm could live in a kind of adult Disney dream world rather than the real one that most folk have to cope with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Charles Ryle, the first Anglican Bishop of Liverpool, said back in the 1890s:</p>
<p>&#8220;A sapping and mining process has been long going on under our feet, of which we are beginning at last to see a little. We shall see a good deal more by and by.&#8221;</p>
<p>We are.</p>
<p>It began with the Oxford Movement, 1833-1845, aimed at diverting the Church of England from the 1611 English King James Bible as its final authority to a more ritualistic basis, like that of the Church of Rome.</p>
<p>The other main line of attack was the replacement of the 1611 English Bible with a Romish text, the Revised Version, which was published in 1881 (NT) and 1884 (OT+NT). The prime movers were two Cambridge academics, B.F. Westcott and F.J.A. Hort. Westcott was a Bishop of Durham. His name is listed in the cathedral. They had worked on the project secretly since 1870.</p>
<p>The RV virtually disappeared off the radar before 1900 but the damage was done. The C of E was persuaded to abandon the 1611 Bible for the opinions of academics* on faith and morals and to move closer to the ritualism of the Oxford Movement.</p>
<p>The national church has never recovered from these twin assaults. It is now a hollowed-out shell (showing that Common Purpose existed long before it was called that).</p>
<p>Once a church abandons its biblical basis for authority, it has none left, unless it can dupe its adherents with a combination of bullying and superstitution, as in say, Latin America.  Although not from a biblical foundation as such, Islam is the same (a state church), as is Marxism (the &#8217;state religion&#8217; is evolutionary atheism).</p>
<p>Whether this latest report is the C of E&#8217;s final death throes or the result of somebody stumbling over a KJB, I don&#8217;t know.  I hope the latter.</p>
<p>*Note that the C of E&#8217;s bizarre anti-biblical attitude on many issues, e.g. &#8216;gay&#8217; marriage (that astounds even non-church goers), is very &#8216;academic&#8217; in nature.  As one who had considerable contact with academics over the years, I can well believe that those in the church realm could live in a kind of adult Disney dream world rather than the real one that most folk have to cope with.</p>
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		<title>By: Artorius</title>
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		<dc:creator>Artorius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Samba
There have been persistent rumours that the future head of the Church of England is a secret convert to the Religion of Peace:
 http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2003/11/is-prince-charles-a-convert-to-islam.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Samba<br />
There have been persistent rumours that the future head of the Church of England is a secret convert to the Religion of Peace:<br />
 <a href="http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2003/11/is-prince-charles-a-convert-to-islam.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2003/11/is-prince-charles-a-convert-to-islam.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: samba</title>
		<link>http://bnp.org.uk/2008/06/anglican-church-complaining/comment-page-1/#comment-29690</link>
		<dc:creator>samba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 14:41:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The best part of all this is Bishops and their minnion rectors,will stand side by side with Imans and condemn the BNP if they stand in elections.MAKES ME WONDER SOMETIMES IF THEY ARE SECRET ISLAMIC COVERTS THEMSELVES.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The best part of all this is Bishops and their minnion rectors,will stand side by side with Imans and condemn the BNP if they stand in elections.MAKES ME WONDER SOMETIMES IF THEY ARE SECRET ISLAMIC COVERTS THEMSELVES.</p>
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		<title>By: Defiant</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 14:38:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While we&#039;re on the topic of the government favouring those lovely Islamic &quot;people&quot;,

&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&quot;AN Islamic website which backs suicide bombers got a £35,000 Government grant – a month before the anniversary of the 7/7 attacks. &quot;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article1263018.ece

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&lt;em&gt;So this country is not at all mad, then.&lt;/em&gt; - &lt;strong&gt;Ed.&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While we&#8217;re on the topic of the government favouring those lovely Islamic &#8220;people&#8221;,</p>
<p><em><strong>&#8220;AN Islamic website which backs suicide bombers got a £35,000 Government grant – a month before the anniversary of the 7/7 attacks. &#8220;</strong></em></p>
<p><a href="http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article1263018.ece" rel="nofollow">http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article1263018.ece</a></p>
<p>&#8212;<br />
<em>So this country is not at all mad, then.</em> &#8211; <strong>Ed.</strong></p>
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		<title>By: apendragon</title>
		<link>http://bnp.org.uk/2008/06/anglican-church-complaining/comment-page-1/#comment-29687</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 14:32:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whatever next? In one day, we have the C of E finding the mettle to actually stand up for its rights, criticise ZaNuLabour, and have geezers jumping out of aeroplanes.

The times they are a-changing.

Rock on, Archbishops! The BNP is right behind you, even if it takes you a while to &#039;come out&#039; and admit we are the only political party from whom you can expect full support... so long as you&#039;re doing  your job, we&#039;ll do ours okay?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whatever next? In one day, we have the C of E finding the mettle to actually stand up for its rights, criticise ZaNuLabour, and have geezers jumping out of aeroplanes.</p>
<p>The times they are a-changing.</p>
<p>Rock on, Archbishops! The BNP is right behind you, even if it takes you a while to &#8216;come out&#8217; and admit we are the only political party from whom you can expect full support&#8230; so long as you&#8217;re doing  your job, we&#8217;ll do ours okay?!</p>
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		<title>By: Artorius</title>
		<link>http://bnp.org.uk/2008/06/anglican-church-complaining/comment-page-1/#comment-29683</link>
		<dc:creator>Artorius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 13:16:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Returning to my earlier question about Tony Blair reincarnating.

I&#039;ve come to the conclusion he&#039;ll be reborn as a rat, because of his consummate timing in abandoning the sinking ship at just the right moment.  

Hazel Blears will come back as an ostrich as a result of her profound understanding of the Islamic threat.   

Gordon Brown will return as a lemming, as befits his headlong rush to disaster.  

David Cameron will be reincarnated as a weasel because of his way with words, especially concerning the Lisbon Treaty.

All the rest of the MPs will have future lives in the form of leeches, sheep-ticks and tapeworms - for obvious reasons.




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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Returning to my earlier question about Tony Blair reincarnating.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve come to the conclusion he&#8217;ll be reborn as a rat, because of his consummate timing in abandoning the sinking ship at just the right moment.  </p>
<p>Hazel Blears will come back as an ostrich as a result of her profound understanding of the Islamic threat.   </p>
<p>Gordon Brown will return as a lemming, as befits his headlong rush to disaster.  </p>
<p>David Cameron will be reincarnated as a weasel because of his way with words, especially concerning the Lisbon Treaty.</p>
<p>All the rest of the MPs will have future lives in the form of leeches, sheep-ticks and tapeworms &#8211; for obvious reasons.</p>
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		<title>By: dr dees brainwashing elixir</title>
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		<dc:creator>dr dees brainwashing elixir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 13:05:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>royalecraig, 
re: the book on the link you gave.

No wonder the liberal/left Establishment attempts to silence revisionist historians. If the public knew only a fraction of what is contained in this amazing book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>royalecraig,<br />
re: the book on the link you gave.</p>
<p>No wonder the liberal/left Establishment attempts to silence revisionist historians. If the public knew only a fraction of what is contained in this amazing book.</p>
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		<title>By: essemess</title>
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		<dc:creator>essemess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 12:15:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: The Telegraph article.

What exactly is Hazel Blears saying? Is she trying to encourage Christians to become &quot;radical&quot; and start blowing things up so they can get more funding?

How fast would the state move to close down all the Churches and outlaw Christianity if some crazed Church goer strapped on a vest full of c4 and blew up a Mosque...or is that what these Marxists actually want?

The thing is, if they are against all religious ideals, won&#039;t they eventually be turning their attention on Islam when they have finished with us Christians?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: The Telegraph article.</p>
<p>What exactly is Hazel Blears saying? Is she trying to encourage Christians to become &#8220;radical&#8221; and start blowing things up so they can get more funding?</p>
<p>How fast would the state move to close down all the Churches and outlaw Christianity if some crazed Church goer strapped on a vest full of c4 and blew up a Mosque&#8230;or is that what these Marxists actually want?</p>
<p>The thing is, if they are against all religious ideals, won&#8217;t they eventually be turning their attention on Islam when they have finished with us Christians?</p>
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