Why no description?

May 11, 2008 by News Team
Filed under National News

We quote from today’s London Evening Standard:-

A teenager murdered the day after his 16th birthday was killed in an unprovoked attack after he refused to take part in a fight, police said tonight.

A manhunt was under way to track the killer responsible for cutting “gentle giant” Jimmy Mizen’s neck with glass following a row as he went to buy a Lottery ticket with his brother.

Jimmy was near his home in the Three Cooks bakery in Lee, south east London, when a youth challenged him to a fight at around 11.50am on Saturday.

After devout Catholic Jimmy declined to fight, the attacker smashed down the bakery door and picked up an advertising board which he wielded inside.

The remainder of the article may be read here .

Other reports appear in a number of online editions, including those of The Times, Reuters UK, BBC, International Herald Tribune and even the Shanghai Daily! They all have one thing in common – no description of the thug responsible for this crime.

Bearing in mind that there clearly were witnesses to this savagery we are left asking: Why?

Tags: BBC, Crime, GLA, Police

64 Responses to “Why no description?”

lloyd on May 11th, 2008 7:08 pm

Sir,
I know this is not related, but did you watch the comedy “East is East” last night on C4? It was brilliant wasn’t it?
Lloyd

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Frayed knot, I was way out West at the time. - Ed.

Obviously the experience hasn’t impaired your wit, Ed - other Ed
This is my country on May 11th, 2008 7:11 pm

Police are said to be looking for a youth whose identity is known to them.
Well, I’ve waited all day for a name or even a description and thankfully a LOT of other people on different newspaper sites are asking the same question, “if a proper description of this murderer is not being given is that because of his race? All hell would have broken out in the media if a white youth had gone and killed a black or Asian youth but we are given no information.

People are not stupid and have wised up a lot to press releases, whilst to be fair to the papers they have actually printed the comments of a lot of people, (mine included) it does not dismiss the fact that they are not printing all the truth and this is causing even more tension. If a mass riot breaks out then the government and the press only have themselves to blame.
My heartfelt sympathy goes out to this poor family.
royalecraig on May 11th, 2008 7:12 pm

It makes a change I suppose that a white Brit can be a victim and make headline news. Do I detect a change in media policy towards the reporting of crime. You cant solve a problem until you identify what the problem is. the problem does not lie with the indigenous British people. it is only in recent years that our ordered society has required armed police on our streets. Ask yourselves if things continue will they get better or worse and is this the fault of the British people - did we vote for this or was it imposed by Westminster.

rc : Those at Westminster are just the ‘rubber-stampers’ now - and very expensive ones at that! - Ed.
Mister J on May 11th, 2008 7:13 pm

Apparently, Jimmy Mizen was a smashing young lad. I hope they catch the ***** ******* who killed him.
Adam on May 11th, 2008 7:16 pm

Yes! I have been looking at many websites to find out the description. When I first saw it on TV i thought it was strange that there was no description.

The boy and his family seem really really nice people!

It is a very sad his life was taken by some disgusting little boy.
MC SE9 on May 11th, 2008 7:21 pm

As we all know films are mostly an ideological fantasy view of the world - East is East is one of those, but the title is quite right East is East, it is most definitely not West.
Englishman first on May 11th, 2008 7:24 pm

The reason there is no description, is because they may get pushed into arresting someone.

Or it may be against his ‘Human Rights’ to be identified! - Ed
ron7055 on May 11th, 2008 7:27 pm

Firstly, I’d like to express my sympathy to the lad’s family, this must be every parents worst nightmare.
I notice that the media have no problems giving a description of a possible witness who is a “white man”, surely it’s common sense and in the public’s interest to be made aware of the killer’s description.
Brin Jenkins on May 11th, 2008 7:35 pm

The real problem are the bigots who force their multiculturist ideals on us. May they rot in hell.

Brin
Artorius on May 11th, 2008 7:36 pm

The BBC are now being more specific in their description “The suspect, described as a male youth, made off from the scene up Burnt Ash Hill towards Burnt Ash Lane. I would urge anyone who was in and around the Burnt Ash Hill area at the time of the incident to call us at our incident room with any information they may have.” - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7394392.stm

A male youth, rather than a female one! This is obviously a great improvement in enabling any members of the public who were ‘in and around the area’ to identify the murderer.
idealist on May 11th, 2008 7:42 pm

I emailed the BNP about this issue earlier today, so I’m gratified you’ve published it. While it’s possible the assailant was white, my suspicion is that he was black given that the London Borough of Lewisham is home to a substantial Afro-Carribean community. There was a witness who saw the ‘youth’ fleeing from the shop, but normally if the assailant was white then it would be accompanied with a short description of their height and clothing colours. The medias unanimous omission on the attackers profile is the tell tale clue. Note there have been several murders of whites in this area in recent years, including Scott Anthony Osborne, who was kicked to death outside Lewisham Tesco by four black youths in 2002. However, this murder will soon fade from the media spotlight, and if and when the perpetrator is caught, there will be a very hushed annoucement of it in the press. Although many of us realise that many white youths today have violent tendencies, the anger of patriots is how the media insinuates that only whites are guility in interracial confrontations.
Waspy on May 11th, 2008 7:48 pm

This is the contact information for the Bakery:

The Three Cooks
21 Burnt Ash Hill, London, SE12 0AA
020 8851 1614

http://www.city-visitor.com/southeastlondon/bakers.html

There may not be anyone there right now but perhaps someone could call them tomorrow to find out more about the suspect if the press and police do not release a detailed description.
Loyal and True on May 11th, 2008 7:57 pm

For years in Northern Ireland the pro-IRA media only used the word “sectarian” to describe the Protestant-British community and portrayed the Catholic-Irish as the down trodden underdogs.

What is happening now in the UK media is exactly the same, where the word “racist” can only be used as a description of the indigenous white population. We need a complete overhaul of the entire corrupt profession known as British journalism, starting with the BBC standing financially on its own 2 feet!
MC SE9 on May 11th, 2008 7:59 pm

It still gets me how that bloke on telly who had the two murderers run straight past him didn’t give a description to the police,and they in hand haven’t given an accurate description to the media to circulate.Is this a dereliction of duty?
Tony Rogers on May 11th, 2008 8:00 pm

According to Sky news, young Jimmy was merely “at the wrong place at the wrong time”. Phew, thank God it wasn’t a black on white race-hate murder. Sky knows that blacks hold no special hatred for whites, even after decades of black failure and anti-white propaganda emanating out of the media and State education machinery.

But, hang on a minute, the BBC’s article gives more away: “Mr Lyons said: “The youth, intent on violence, offered him (Jimmy) outside for a fight.”" I think we all know what the Detective Chief Inspector’s code word means. I think I’m safe in saying that you don’t have to be Columbo to recognise yet another display of vile media hypocrisy in action.
shortround on May 11th, 2008 8:00 pm

My sympathies are with this young man’s family.

I never thought I’d see the day when I’d contribute to the BNP website, but it’s so outrageous.

They should publish essential details about the killer. Why isn’t it happening?

Even the mainstream newspaper websites have picked up on this in the comments.
PJD on May 11th, 2008 8:05 pm

Deepest sympathy to the family and friends of a fine young man.
For any new visitors to this site who may think this is an isolated incident, check out Racism Cuts Both Ways at the top right of this page.
We clearly need the BNP to bypass the NUJ cowards/liars of the discredited “mainstream media”, for whom no words of contempt are adquate. This website is great, but not everyone uses a computer.
SheriffofNottingham on May 11th, 2008 8:10 pm

Terrible, terrible tragedy. This awful murder must not be allowed to slip out of public memory so soon. I hope the boy’s church posts a commemorative photograph of him as a choir boy on the notice board or something so that people can leave flowers and tributes. The murderer is at large - a manhunt must ensue to ensure he does not kill again. They killed a barrister for taking potshots with a shotgun - I hope they kill this monster.
Noel on May 11th, 2008 8:12 pm

Sadly, I rather think that with so many Joe Six-packs, TV soap-watchers, people whose homes have been or are about to be repossessed and countless others fearing the same fate and at least half the nation now addicted to one illegal, brain-trashing narcotic or another, and not forgetting the millions who have been successfully brainwashed by the “all-the-news-the-government- wants-you-to-know” media (such as which “celebrity” is currently copulating with whom) I’d say that the possibility of a mass riot is rather more remote than the nearest neutron star.

The media are quite aware of all this, hence their blatant refusal to even describe, much less to identify or to publish photographs of any other than a White criminal suspect. I fear that we still have a mammoth task ahead of us to wake up the sheeple and a desperately short amount of time left in which to do so.

We cannot afford to wait for perhaps up to 30 years for the oil wells to run dry, and we simply CANNOT allow our country and its people to be wiped off the map in the meantime. We need a cunning plan and it had better have a far greater certainty of success than anything which Baldrick might have dreamed up.

We are working on it - Ed
dvg on May 11th, 2008 8:17 pm

I too noticed this in the BBC report -Very suspicious .If this was a WHITE man that had done this crime the BBC WOULD have broadcast it.
Tours732 on May 11th, 2008 8:25 pm

Why no description? My thought exactly upon reading the story on the BBCs website.
Sabrewulf on May 11th, 2008 8:25 pm

As well as the stated issue , what gets me is the way the media now report these crimes, its like business as usual, no one is shocked by 16 year olds being murdered on the streets for no good reason , black kids killing black kids also, should we not be so outraged by this that we demand real action and our streets cleaned up once and for all, its a disgrace.
I was watching Sky News today , Chris Roberts the presenter was interviewing Damilola Taylor’ s father, Chris Roberts in all seriousness with an almost pleading voice asked Mr Taylor ” What can we do?” , like nobody has any clue what so ever and we need Mr Taylor’s expert advice on the matter, he’s from Nigeria and should have returned there after the trial was over so what does he know.
straightdownthemiddle on May 11th, 2008 8:35 pm

I too was suspicious of the media’s handling of the story and have been on all the news websites and watched Sky and BBC to see who the perp was ….. NOTHING! At least the people on this website are thinking the same as me!!
dvg on May 11th, 2008 8:36 pm

Hopefully the noble and brave BNP representative Mr Richard Barnbrook will raise this important matter with the den of snakes at the council chambers in London.
Patriotic Burnley Celt on May 11th, 2008 8:39 pm

A terrible terrible murder of a decent young man with his whole world in front of him. Murder be it white on black, black on white etc etc is just wrong. Life is so cheap with the pathetic politicians we have at the moment. No doubt weasel words will be spoken by the failed three (lib/lab cons) but let’s face it if the murderer is caught he will get 15 years max. He probably chose to kill knowing he would only get a few years. He probably chose to kill because he had been protected and looked after all his life when he commited minor crimes (allegedly) because of the colour of his skin and the industry set up to protect his rights.

The shame-faced liberals should be made to sit in that family home tonight and defend their policies to the grieving family.
EnglandxChick on May 11th, 2008 8:46 pm

That is really sad about Jimmy Mizzen but I cannot believe that his mum said she felt sorry for the parent’s of her son’s killer. The nasty individuals who took her son’s life are still alive while Jimmy is dead. It is he and his family we should all feel terribly sorry for.
Tony Rogers on May 11th, 2008 8:52 pm

Sky news is already portraying the murder as affecting the “whole community”. The rule is: If it’s Black on White then, if by some freak accident it actually gets covered, it’s an issue for everyone as a-political human beings all joined together in the name of brotherly love. If it’s White on Black then get the ducking stool out ’cause we’re gonna get some uneducated working class White racist for it - whether he did it or not! Then we’ll spend the next fifteen years beating the White working classes over the head with it at every opportunity whilst their tax contributions pay for a shrine to the victim, the implementation of more thought-crime laws, and to fund a bunch of ‘initiatives’.
- Ed - on May 11th, 2008 9:45 pm

Please note:

This is an emotive issue and the media’s antics are well known.
However, lets not turn this into a race rant, please.
Remember that the majority of black people find this upsetting too, and its not their fault how the media handle it. - Ed
the likes of us on May 11th, 2008 9:45 pm

Surely it can’t just be us nationalists who’ve noticed that a non-description is also a non-white description?

But WE are racists for wanting media reports free of racial bias?!
unclegordon on May 11th, 2008 10:04 pm

I have emailed the BBC as a concerned citizen to ask if they have more details: ie, an approximate description of the suspect, and if they do, could they please publish it so that ordinary folk can help the police to catch the killer. I will let you know if I receive an answer.
Green Vista on May 11th, 2008 10:19 pm

It seems that the powers-that-be think that political correctness and ethnic sensitivities are of such premium importance that they should jeopardize the swift apprehension of a feral murderer. And who knows? He could be escaping these shores and justice for want of a physical description. Absolutely disgraceful.
Liverpool Lad on May 11th, 2008 10:44 pm

Before I start on this one …… I would like to apologise to ED, for my earlier outburst and I am glad you were unable to post it.

Foremost, I would not like to detract from the Stephen Lawrence incident nor the pain his family still feel today….. but …..

That was 15 years ago that he was callously murdered, yet the Press, Media nor Government or the bum kissers to the ethnic community will let it go, they mention it at every moment they can and indeed it is bad to vandalise a memorial to anyone but at least Stephen Lawrence got one………

You tell me of any “White” victim of murder by a black or asian that has been given a memorial? I am not saying that it is right for anyone to murder anyone… but it is certainly not right to hold in reverence just the “Black” victims and say how bad racial crime or race hate crime is, if it is perpetrated against an ethnic. It is wrong no matter what colour of skin. Not that you would know by the way the media acted.

I used to remember watching Crimewatch UK before labour got into power and the majority of the people featured on it were indeed “White” … but mostly committing fraud and theft. Now the majority are of an ethnic background and are mostly committing Rape and Murder….. Thankyou to the politicians who are enriching our comunities.

Here’s the Met’s ‘Most Wanted’ : http://www.met.police.uk/wanted/
Make from it what you will. - Ed.
News Team on May 11th, 2008 11:09 pm

How many more?

WebMonkey.
Askari on May 11th, 2008 11:25 pm

I mourned when I saw and read of this latest youth murder, another wasted young life; by all accounts a thoroughly likeable lad with everything before him. Evil stalks the Land.

The murderer has no self-respect, so no respect for others. The murderer knows subliminaly that his own life is worthless, so he cannot conceive of the sanctitiy of anyone else’s life. Our establishment masters, the liberal-left, have done this to British society. Now the papers will offer up the usual handwringing and learned analyses; what can be done? they will ask rhetorically.

With a complete breakdown of discipline in the schools and at home, backed by legislation which teaches the young all about their rights and nothing about their responsibilities, and makes it a criminal offence to impose disciplinary measures on the young, nothing can be done. There will be more youth murders, and more, and more, because our establishment masters will not confront the elephant in society - a systemic failure of discipline and respect.
When the BNP comes to power, entire swathes of legislation will have to be scrapped, including those laws which criminialise teachers’ imposing discipline on their charges, and make it a crime for a parent to chastise a child. Once discipline can be reasserted at home and in the school, and once proper sentencing and meaningful prison sentences are reimposed by the courts, it will not take so very many years to cleanse society of the evil at its core.

Only then will we find that young people cease to murder one another.
gyukcas on May 11th, 2008 11:30 pm

Dear Ed, Now you know why my last [censored] comments were somewhat over the top regarding these people. I just get absolutely incandescent with rage over what is going on in this country. It’s so obvious that everyone in authority is against us and everything remotely in favour of the indigenous population, whilst going out of their way to cover up for any criminals who come here without our by your leave. It is getting steadily worse as these people realise that in the eyes of British “justice?”, they can do no wrong, especially if the crime is against a white Brit.

I am starting to get a bit dispirited with my own race because they seem to be totally indifferent to their own destinies.Thank God for this party and its supporters who write on here because it would be easy to lapse into total apathy without their constant strength of character and undying patriotism.

Keep up the good work for all our sakes!
fellgreave on May 11th, 2008 11:40 pm

To help trace a witness the police describe him as white middle aged. Therefore it must help trace the killers to state their colour also.
Paul_S_UK on May 11th, 2008 11:51 pm

This island is doomed!

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What, again? - Ed.
Liverpool Lad on May 11th, 2008 11:57 pm

I checked out your link ED …. I know I shouldn’t … but … lol

Oh how times have changed …. yet we still beat ourselves up, well the press and media do, about the “White Scum” that mess up society… well they may be in the slightest bit right, but we have nothing on the new influx of “Enrichment”. When will the government get themselves a decent size set of balls? … I’ll tell you shall I? ….. When the government is the BNP, that’s when - and only when that happens will we get some order back to this once great country..

I STAND AND SALUTE ALL THOSE WHO TAKE AN ACTIVE PART IN THE BNP … AND THOSE WHO DO ANYTHING TO SUPPORT US.

GOD BLESS THIS COUNTRY AND ALL WHO TRULY SALUTE HER.
Liverpool Lad on May 12th, 2008 12:23 am

Just read the latest report on MSN ….. still no description of the wanted “Youth” ……. only points to one thing …… and the problem there then will be if they will correctly class ths as a “Racial Murder”…… because if the governemts own rules are that if anyone deems it as a “race Hate” crime then they have to investigate it as one and class it as one………

Whats the bets that it doesn’t get the classification … knowing the police … based on the grounds that Jimmy is dead and unable to claim it racism himself ….
Alasdair on May 12th, 2008 1:30 am

In Well Hall Road, not much more than a couple of miles away from this murder, a memorial plaque is set into the pavement for one Stephen Lawrence.

Perhaps Richard Barnbrook might request of the new Mayor of London that a similar honour be accorded to Jimmy Mizen?
aussiebrit on May 12th, 2008 1:57 am

The latest i can find on this terrible and sad event.

Scroll down to the last but one they say he was turkish?

http://www.newsshopper.co.uk/news/topstories/display.var.2262339.0.update_bakery_murder_victim_named.php
Tony on May 12th, 2008 2:04 am

So a killer is on the loose but the police cannot provide any description that might help capture him. It’s not that nobody knows who is responsible, it’s about community sensitivity which takes precedence over real police work. God help us, because the police won’t.
THX1138 on May 12th, 2008 5:40 am

I wondered exactly the same thing.

I looked at the firsy websites that were carrying the story and all of them at the time were the “main stream media” type.

The only description I could find was “male youth”. It’s pathetic.
John L on May 12th, 2008 5:40 am

I’ve seen Stephen Laurence’s name mentioned here. So, if it turns out that there’s a racial element here (note the “if”), are we now going to get a “Jimmy Mizen” industry as well? Memorials, educational foundations, memorial services in Westminster Cathdral with Bishops and Archbishops? And if Jimmy’s case turns out to be comparable with St. Stephen’s, and we don’t get the same treatment, are we going to start asking a few questions?
Bert Rustle on May 12th, 2008 6:03 am

fellgrave wrote … To help trace a witness the police describe him as white middle aged. Therefore it must help trace the killers to state their colour also. …

Good point. I would hazard a guess that the Drive-By Media will not make this point.
Valentine Gray on May 12th, 2008 7:49 am

I wanted to add to the comments of the painfully obvious. I can’t. I just get down on my Knees and give thanks in all sincerity that we have the BNP, without it God help us.
iiwn on May 12th, 2008 8:16 am

My sincerest sympathy to the boy’s parents and family, but I can’t help feeling that his mother has in a sense let him down. She’s said she doesn’t feel anger towards the ‘youth’ only ’sadness’ that he could have done such a thing. Well I’m sorry, but if my child had to die in such an evil fashion I’d be so angry I don’t know whether I’d be able to contain it. The lad’s mother should be sad at the death of her son but she should be angry at his killer - that’s natural isn’t it? And I know this may sound callous, but I can’t help thinking that her ’sadness’ for his killer is a function of her own political correctness - she must know the ethnicity of her son’s killer because another of her son’s witnessed the event. That just illustrates the power of the conditioning that people are subject to that they’d rather suppress their true feelings about the murder of one of their own than offend pc thinking.
mono on May 12th, 2008 8:37 am

Will it never end? Another young life lost. R.I.P
baz on May 12th, 2008 9:19 am

The amount of replies speaks mountains. People are really getting angry with both the media and the police. The public have a right to know the description of the filth tnat killed this young man,if only for their safety.
On our list of infamy regarding the press reaction to racial attacks against whites we must now add their denial that criminals causing all this mayhem must be protected, never mind the victim!!!
Angryman on May 12th, 2008 11:36 am

The time is surely coming for the silent majority to take this country back and establish law and order with their own hands. The government, the media and now the police are actively withholding evidence that may bring a violent murderer to justice and prevent another one of us being murdered. This cannot be allowed to carry on, not if we have any illusions of being civilised.

Time has almost run out. Next year when the EUSSR takes full control, this PC nonsense will get much, much worse and put many more lives at risk as well as our freedom.

The only other option to the above is a massive effort by everyone to get as many friends, relations and aquaintances as possible to support the British National Party.
martello tower on May 12th, 2008 11:47 am

Saw that “yoof” women on the BBC this morning, - the one that always reminds me of Carmen Miranda for some reason.
Anyway, she was naturally laying the blame on the social upbringing of these people etc, almost saying ‘what do you expect them to do?’, !!!!
It will never be the fault of these poor things, when they resort to murdering people!.
ExLondoner35 on May 12th, 2008 12:05 pm

I can say that I agree with all that Noel wrote (8.12pm). The complacency of the general populace, the so-called ‘great British public’?! Fixated on celebs, baubles, ‘aving a night out and getting pissed, and being annoyingly anti-social at it. I say this with cynicism, I honestly thought that the BNP would acquire far more seats and representataion at the local elections. Perhaps being cosseted and spolit as we collectively are nowadays (I’d freely debate with anyone who cares to disagree with that by the way) people feel untouched by clear signs of our malodorous fate that the more prosaically intelligent amongst us plaintively conclude could/will happen.

I’ll make a half prediction that the public will never demand or riot at the increasingly bleak outlook for this now sickly country, it is too damn busy enjoying bread and circus (cheap food {Yes it is!}, plasma TVs, benefits, the enjoyment of cheap imported goods, cheap holidays, tiffle tattle, booze, heathcare etc ad nauseam…)

That said the, by all accounts, genial and thoughtful lad who was murdered by thuggish filth, whatever race they were as we know not yet, that filth should be strung up on being found guilty, black OR white scum. Though I of course understand the suspicions when there is censorship of description.
Godblessenoch on May 12th, 2008 1:38 pm

Dear ExLondoner35, you are spot on about the ‘great British public’. Many do seem to have been blinded (brainwashed?), and a ‘good time’ seems to be the number one priority, but in the not too distant future these ’sheeple’ are going to have a hell of a lot more to worry about than partying, and that is when the BNP will get more representation.

It’s in the post for sure!
Erinmore on May 12th, 2008 1:38 pm

The Trotskyite system and its propaganda machine - the media - is growing more billigerent by the hour and, in doing so, committing more and more outrageous acts of anti-white race-hate evident by its deliberate under-reporting and outright blanket omissions regarding the ethnic description of racist non-whites involved in anti-white race-hate crimes.

What it fails to recognise is that this behaviour is actually the root of its own undoings because such behaviour is morally reprehensible as well as criminal in cases where the criminals happen to be non-whites since it, the media, has no qualms about revealing the ethnicity of a suspect when he/she turns out to be white.

What has to happen is that civil action has to be taken against the media every time all of it fails to fulfil its stated obligation to the public, ie, the supply of information which is the reason for its very existence in the first place.

It must,therefore, be reiterated and further made clear to it that to withold known information regarding the ethnicity of a criminal suspect that’s likely to compromise the safety of either a specific section or any section of the public, is a criminal offence.
iiwn on May 12th, 2008 2:45 pm

The British people are partying as if there’s no tomorrow… And what does that say?
Heimdall on May 12th, 2008 3:01 pm

Ex full-time Grauniad hack (but still Guardian/Observer freelancer), Nick Davies, has a new book out entitled Flat Earth News. He’s no friend of the BNP, but I have to grudgingly admit that it’s a fine read. He really blows the lid on how corrupt, inefficient and unprofessional the media is nowadays - and no institute, from the Times to the BBC, escapes his cutting remarks. Even if you still trust the press now, you won’t anymore after having read this book.

However, it was nice to see him fall foul of his own criticisms. Whilst ranting about how few press bureaus are left to pick up on a lot of stories (which end up falling by the wayside) he just happens (on page 77) to bring up the story of former BNP member, Robert Cottage, who’d had explosives found in his house by police. He bemoans how this ‘big story’ almost slipped through the net. Apart from trying to generate a bit of Flat Earth News of his own by using this story as an example, he ‘Flat Earth’s’ it a little further by again failing to mention that this man was also a former Tory member. Still, apart from that, a very insightful book.
MarcoPolo on May 12th, 2008 4:11 pm

So the killer was a ‘young male’. So that narrows the identity parade down to about 3 million suspects then…
mrfreedom on May 12th, 2008 4:27 pm

The non-reporting of the description of this killer is potentially highly significant in that it may wake up people who have hitherto been unaware of the extent of politically correct news management in 21st century Britain. I highly recommend reading Anthony Browne’s The Retreat Of Reason for more on this sort of thing.
dr dees brainwashing elixir on May 12th, 2008 6:04 pm

Ed, is there any way this BNP website can find & publish the murder rates for the pre-abolition of hanging era circa 1958 & the figures since hanging has been abolished. With the advances in present-day medical technology saving a lot of attack victims from being murder victims & the inclination of prosecutors to file lesser charges leading to less murder charges one would hope that less murders would be the result. Unfortunately although I can’t get figures [I wonder why] I am inclined to believe that the opposite is true & that the present murder rate under our lib/lab/con masters may be as much as 8 to 10 times higher than it was pre-abolition.

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We don’t have the statistics but if anyone does, please send them in. - Ed
Bert Rustle on May 12th, 2008 8:27 pm

Ed wrote … We don’t have the statistics but if anyone does, please send them in. - Ed …

For example, Charles Murray’s Underclass + 10 An excerpt beginning at page 6:

… From the mid-nineteenth century through the first three-quarters of this century, the United
States was seen as a violent, unruly society with a lot of personal freedom but not very civilised. During the same period, Britain was seen, rightly, as the most civilised country on earth. Other countries on the continent had low crime rates, but they also had traditions and institutions of authoritarian control. Britain enjoyed extraordinarily low crime and extraordinary freedom. It was a unique, magnificent achievement, proving to the world that liberty and safety are compatible; proving, indeed, that a genuinely civil society is possible. No longer. Britain is just another high-crime industrialised country.

… Another part of the answer may lie in the increased use of prison. From 1950 until 1993, British crime
became much less risky … Britain might have had a low crime rate and unobtrusive police in the first half of the century, but your chances of getting caught if you did commit a crime were high, and the chances of going to prison if you were caught were high. The risk of imprisonment began to fall starting in the mid-1950s, and, after a few years’ lag time, crime began to rise. The risk continued to fall and crime began to rise faster. … Since 1993, the risk of imprisonment has been rising and property crime has been falling. …

… In 1900,Britain had many times the number of poor people it has now, and a fraction of the violent crime rate. It is not because of proletarian rage against income inequality. The rich of 1900 had lives much more conspicuously different from the rest of society than the rich of 1999. On every dimension of economic and political division, Britain and used to be a much more riven society than it is now. It was united in one crucial respect: a universally shared consensus of what constituted moral standards and civilised behaviour. And Britain used to have hardly any crime at all. …

Thanks for that, Bert - Ed
EnglandxChick on May 12th, 2008 9:53 pm

Once again poor Jimmy Mizen’s mum was saying that she feels sorry for the parents of her son’s killer. She explains that if she felt anger, she would be no better then those evil thugs who killed Jimmy. Correction - of course it is ok to feel anger towards the person/s who have killed a loved one. That does not make you anything like the murderering scum.
RW on May 12th, 2008 10:21 pm

I don’t know if his mother was accurately quoted. But that attitude isn’t that uncommon. For example, Quakers regard anger as an emotion to be condemned — I remember a Quaker friend of mine arguing about some neutral subject, censorship in physics I think, and these people said, “Why are you so angry?” The idea that self-defence is as bad as attack, in fact the same thing, is a bit odd. Of course it’s possible that in her part of London the other tribe will be swarmingly large — maybe this family will be a potential target for life, with the police, obviously, doing nothing — so perhaps it’s just the safest thing to say.
RW on May 12th, 2008 10:30 pm

dr dees [nice nickname], my collection of books includes a Penguin Special, a paperback, ‘Hanged by the Neck’, 1961, by Koestler and Rolph, giving arguments against the death penalty. Much emphasis on ‘the rope’ and 18th century capital punishment; little emphasis on victims. I’ll try to summarise it some time. The cases are somewhat like today’s, only on a much tinier scale. For example I remember a Somali murderer being described as a ‘child of nature’ by a judge.
royalecraig on May 12th, 2008 10:35 pm

The Mail is reporting it was a Turkish ‘youth’ Lets wait and see, Don’t forget there are people out there that would love to set the BNP up, withold a description get the BNP website accusing Immigration and then revealing the attacker was Indigenous white British and the BNP were just stirring up racial hatred.

I wouldn’t put this Past the Lib Lab Cons.

For those who are still plugged into the Matrix or who have recently been unplugged you Probably only ever heard about
Ian Huntley, Fred West, Beverly Allet, the Dunblane Massacre, the Black Panther Murders, the Stephen Lawrence Murder, Dr Shipman Peter Sutcliffe, Damiola Taylor, Chris Langham, MichaelBarrymore, the Guy in the Portugal Maddelaine case.
Notice anything about the ethnicity of these.

Now Welcome to the reality that is Britain today.

http://thefallenlist.blogspot.com/

http://iamanenglishman.com/rogues_gallery.php

http://www.bnp.org.uk/2008/03/how-you-can-help-the-metropolitan-police-service/

I consider our Lib Lab Con Politicians to be a Threat to the lives of me and my children who have already had to move out of an enriched Inner city.

I count about 40 heads on this serpent.

Forward the links to others, let them Know what the BBC and Media is witholding about Mass mass immigration.
if you live in one of Hazel Blears ‘Sensitive Zones’
Get your Kids off the streets.

We can Solve this together, intelligently,
Wake up others, invite them to visit the BNP website.

BBC admits yes we Are Biased
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=411977&in_page_id=1770

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=411846&in_page_id=1770A

Police Spin
http://policewatchuk.blogspot.com/search/label/Police%20Spin

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